A Christmas Wish

[Richard Develyn]

So here's a little theory. Perhaps:

PM knows who holds WoF 3, and knows that this person is a DW fan.

PM also holds a number of other missing episodes - let's say Snowmen, Wheel, Evil, Marco Polo (let's be optimistic, but I'm going to guess it's *not* the ones currently planned for animation).

Knowing that the holder of Wof 3 is a fan, PM has told him he'll return his own episodes if WoF 3 goes back too. PM figures that this is the only possible hold he has on him, and that if he doesn't do this we'll never see WoF 3.

The holder of WoF 3, however, is playing on the fact that PM is being forced to go against his better nature in order to do this, and figures that PM will crack before he does.

Eventually, of course, the holder of WoF 3 will realise that, though his strategy might well pay out, and that he will eventually see all PM's episodes whilst still getting the pleasure of being the only person in the world to watch WoF 3, as the years tick by he's being denied the pleasure of watching PM's episodes year on year. I mean, I watch WoF and EotW once a year, and must have watched Tomb about 20 times before I stopped watching that one year on year.

So hopefully this game of cat and mouse will end in a good way for all of us.

Anyway - just a bit of blue sky Christmas conjecture :-)

All the best

Richard

[Luke Sherlaw]

Some further outlook that does have positives in there, no matter how masked:

I honestly think whoever holds WoF 3 will hold at least 3 missing episodes of DW in their collection, if not more. You have to have some serious dedication to carry out what was executed in Jos. If it's an older collector, they could have been doing this sort of thing since the 1980s: sourcing collectors who may have stuff in their collection, frequenting film fairs, you name it. It just doesn't seem like something a first time offender would do, it's way too devoted.


I just hope such an individual eventually has a change of heart and allows us to enjoy their material. I'd implore anyone doing this to think about the fans and the cast members who'd love to enjoy this material whilst they still can.

[Robert Lia]

If it comes out that an actual "fan" of Doctor Who has been sitting on WOF3 for all these years then that poor fan once his name becomes known to the public will never be able to show his face at any DW event or post on line on any DW FB page or forum.

Assuming of course that he is active on the internet and in fan groups. Sooner or later these people want to share that they have a copy of episode (insert name and number) even if it is with just a close friend. Sooner or later it will leak out.

I also don't believe PM would be sitting on multiple complete story's as that could back fire on him. Now I do believe its possible that he may be holding the odd episode of this serial and the odd episode of that serial but nothing of major importance. I mean I don't see him sitting on Tenth Planet #4 or the two missing episodes of "The Crusades", "The Underwater Menace", "The Moonbase", "The Ice Warriors" or "The Invasion" as this might just upset a lot of people including the BBC

[andyeves]

Phil has repeatedly stated that he'll give us more DW when we "least expect" it, and given all of the doom-and-gloom & negativity that has been expressed of late, maybe today is the day ...

That's my attempt to add a bit more positive spin! :-)

[Jaspal Cheema]

Paul Vanezis recently gave us information that there were at least 2 missing Dr Who episodes in the hands of private collectors.This information was revealed to either take the attention away from Philip Morris as he continues his searches or it could be that the private collectors are now willing to come forward and donate their missing episodes to the BBC for copying...

[Robert Lia]

That bit about the 2 known episodes in private hands is old news, I've known about it for at least 3 year now. . .

[John Wall]

Dec 19, 2019 21:15:43 GMT Robert Lia said:

That bit about the 2 known episodes in private hands is old news, I've known about it for at least 3 year now. . .

WoF3 is in private hands....

[Robert Lia]

Well WOF is obviously in "somebody's hands". . . . ? Now if it came out that the person who has it is a well known fan from the internet things might get interesting due to it going missing after being discovered by PM.

[Logan Jutanberg]

It could have also been binned. Don't forget that.

[Luke Sherlaw]

Dec 21, 2019 1:44:28 GMT Logan Jutanberg said:

It could have also been binned. Don't forget that.

If it's been binned, i'll go out, buy a hat, and eat it. 

All the chasing that PM has been doing suggests that he has adequate evidence that it's in the hands of a collector. There's a chance it's binned, but I find it to be very miniscule. 

[George D]

I think it's more likely binned than saved.
Hope im wrong but to me it's much more likely that the curator was more concerned with PM taking something than the actual episode.

Hope more show up, but with 6 years passing I think most search areas have been explored.

Merry Christmas

[Richard Develyn]

Dec 25, 2019 10:29:44 GMT George D said:

I think it's more likely binned than saved.
Hope im wrong but to me it's much more likely that the curator was more concerned with PM taking something than the actual episode.

Hope more show up, but with 6 years passing I think most search areas have been explored.

Merry Christmas

Why not bin the lot, then?

WoF 3 is a bit of a select episode, imvho.

Richard

[Ronnie McDevitt]

I am confident that Web of Fear 3 will turn up in time.
I have faith in Phil Morris on this episode.

[George D]

Maybe im misunderstanding but my recollection was that as pm was attempting to hide the episodes there were two films that were in their hands as they attempted to hide them. (Web 3 and something else)

Assuming the story is true the reason the others were not touched was because the station manager didn't know that they were hidden behind (whatever)

Apparently the station manager saw that he had it in his hands and didn't like him playing with his films and put it in his office. Whether he eventually saw the value in it as opposed to merely taking it back and then losing it is conjecture at this point.

Hopefully it still exists with someone but if PM had told someone about the find and they did reach out to the station manager, then that would leave the question why didn't they look for the rest

No one knows how it would have turned out if he didn't try to hide. I guess we can be thankful we got all but the one.

Dec 25, 2019 12:57:59 GMT Richard Develyn said:

Dec 25, 2019 10:29:44 GMT George D said:

I think it's more likely binned than saved.
Hope im wrong but to me it's much more likely that the curator was more concerned with PM taking something than the actual episode.

Hope more show up, but with 6 years passing I think most search areas have been explored.

Merry Christmas

Why not bin the lot, then?

WoF 3 is a bit of a select episode, imvho.

Richard

[Richard Develyn]

I hadn't quite heard the story that way.

I don't know - none of it makes much sense, really.

I think we just have to assume that PM would have told us if all hopes of Web 3 being recovered were lost.

Richard