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Post by Marty Schultz on Dec 21, 2013 23:56:12 GMT
Do you think it's on his resume?
Employment 2012-2014
Omni-rumour expert.
2005- 2011.
Paul is dead. Beatles conspiracy expert.
2001-2004
Employed as specialist in Elvis sightings.
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Post by John Wall on Dec 22, 2013 0:15:58 GMT
DWA on MBW ( doctorwhoarchive.com/2013/12/21/report-on-tonights-missing-believed-wiped/) with a quote from Dick Fiddy from his facebook page “To qualify – that statement was from the MBW documentary and needed further elaboration. The full context is that the paper trail (ie the original sales documents) plus the number of separate broadcasters, warehouses, facility houses on the African continent that are being checked could potentially (and very probably) yield that sort of number. As to how many of those titles would be extant and of any use (ie not defunct) is debatable as would be how many are actually missing. In a nutshell what I was indicating was that there is s strong possibility that it’s a huge number of titles that are potentially out here and which Phil Morris is our best hope when it comes to retrieval.” It's still interesting to see the fiction, apart from the DF FB page quote, being perpetrated. There was no mention of Philip Morris/TIEA at the start of Session Two. |
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Post by Daniel Y. Shin on Dec 22, 2013 0:36:56 GMT
I love how Kasterborous announce that Doctor Who speculation is affecting things negatively WHILST speculating on Doctor Who. And what about that MBW doc talking about "1000s of films recovered" and how they gave out credentials! It was almost as bad as the event (and BBC news) announcing that EoTW/WoF were found in Jos, Nigeria by Philip Morris. They are endangering the whole recovery process! Then Philip Morris goes and gets his face plastered all over the international press doing interviews describing his work. At this rate, we will be lucky to get anything else safely out of Africa.  Jimmy Savile business blew up was that BBC4 wouldn't be showing any old editions of TOTP that featured him. That lowlife mentally and physically scarred people for life - put things in perspective. "Alleged" to... it was never proven in a court of law. Personally, I am a bit of a "by-the-books" type, and I can't abide rumors. |
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Post by John Wall on Dec 22, 2013 0:41:51 GMT
Although we're diverging from the subject I think that there were enough similar, independent reports about JS to conclude that he was.
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Post by edhipkiss on Dec 22, 2013 0:48:31 GMT
Jimmy Savile business blew up was that BBC4 wouldn't be showing any old editions of TOTP that featured him. That lowlife mentally and physically scarred people for life - put things in perspective. "Alleged" to... it was never proven in a court of law. Personally, I am a bit of a "by-the-books" type, and I can't abide rumors. Completely understand where you are coming from, and initially I felt the same way (he's dead he can hardly stand up for himself). But sadly there have been so many allegations since the initial 2 or 6 I'm afraid it's pretty impossible to conclude anything other than the fact he did it. I still find it incredible that the only ones to pay the price for his evil deeds are a few BBC executives who were completely unaware of what he was up to. Hardly seems fair. I should also point out I was never a fan of Saville, just that I've always been of an "innocent until proven guilty" mentality. Something that seems to have been lost in this day and age. Someone can be found guilty and there's always allegations (sometimes correctly) of a mis-carriage of justice, and equally there seem to be cases where someone is acquitted and the "I still think he did it because I've decided he's a ****" mob come out in force. I shall comment no further on this, as it's off topic and I'm not sure a protracted conversation about Mr Saville is something most of us, including me, have any stomach to discuss further. |
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Post by Paul McDermott on Dec 22, 2013 0:52:20 GMT
How are you so sure its not YOU hearing what you want to hear? Because I'm a glass half empty person and have seen far too many misrepresentations being taken as fact. I listened very carefully to exactly what was, and wasn't, said and, if you look back, you'll see that I posted Dick Fiddy's 100s or 1000s figure for what Philip Morris might have "acquired" within minutes of hearing it. However, hours later people are saying - incorrectly - that 10,000 was stated. Perhaps you should give more credence to a pessimist with an iPad who posted at c. 5-30pm than an optimist posting when they got home. Well, I think you've just been hoist by your own petard, John.  iPad? I mean really - we know Apple are in on the Big Shush, why else did Enemy and Web get rush released to worldwide chart-busting acclaim on the iTunes Store?  Now, if you'd happened to have been updating us via a Galaxy Tab or that burglar-proof thing Microsoft sells, well, we might take you a bit more seriously...   Honestly, thanks a heap for keeping us in the loop re your liveish coverage, John - big applause from those of us who couldn't be there and want RELIABLE reports of what went down!  I'm not too surprised that there's still a lack of much information re the doings of Phil. His company is doing important, economically sensitive work in scary places.  He's no dope, or glory hound - he wants to actually find lost material and get it back where it belongs, accessible to all. Tabloid and fan spotlights don't help him do this, as we all know.  Chuck in several forests worth of NDA papers from various bods - very possibly (that's speculation on my part folks!) from the Beeb and other UK TV rights holders, and it makes sense.  Supposing he - or others - have scored a huge mass of very old film. Or even several such, over the months. Even if they know where it's from and the probable age, there's other variables. Delicate old film, which could very well be mislabelled or unlabelled, takes time to cautiously assess to find out what it is, and if it can be usefully restored, before such work can begin. And there's many a slip twixt the cup and the lap - so counting unhatched chickens is a game I'm sure he's not engaged in. Probabilities were what Dick Fiddy was referring to, and fair enough. Those areas of the world may potentially still hold very interesting material, if we are lucky enough to find them and they can be restored. Right now, it's a Schrodinger's film can situation I think! What we do know is that we just got 9 eps back we never expected to see again. Might we get more next year? Who knows - and perhaps, that uncertainty could very well stretch to Phil, for the variables above. Even if he'd like to trust his luck, he's got to remain responsible, professional. To say this would be a pain in some ways, if not downright frustrating in negotiations, is I think fair enough - but it'd also be unavoidable and Just The Way It Is. Likewise if he's been through all the film on his hands and is currently engaged in a hard-target search of every probable location of further finds, a la Deputy Marshal Gerard from The Fugitive. Phil's appearance on the news recently led some of us (including me) to see him all but nod and wink that he may have more missing material, Who or otherwise, now or soon. But others, sensibly, contest this. Given his runs on the board, I'm willing to be hopeful but honest about it, instead of claiming proof of anything.  Whatever the case, it's nice that the returns this year aren't exclusive to Who and that the support for old lost material of all stripes is as healthy as ever, perhaps even more so!  |
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Post by spcowen on Dec 22, 2013 1:15:53 GMT
I was there and the figure 10,000 was definitely mentioned because me and my partner both discussed it in the interval. TIEA was mentioned in the second part because Dick Fiddy gave an explanation for why the running order wasn't published in advance - they were waiting to hear if Phil Morris was going to release some items for inclusion.
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Post by David Buck on Dec 22, 2013 2:11:52 GMT
hopefully - that small extract with Chris and Dick discussing the rumours could make it online - If you cut out the BBC news clips there'd be no clearance issues - or a transcript because I don't think it's at all clear cut.
I personally thought Dick said something like, not just hundreds, not even just thousands - which would lead the brain to fill in the 10,000 comment; Anyway - this segment followed on from the library of congress finds and was built up as something significantly bigger - not on what has been announced so far it isn't!
Chris or Dick also very pointedly stated that this info was what they had heard when the segment was recorded, I'd personally expect Chris & Dick to know a damn sight more than the rest of us about this ( other than those involved directly of course )and If the sort of figures being suggested were based on the notions Dick mentions in that Facebook comment then I don't see how that fits with the impression given in the documentary at all,
On the other hand of course you have to reflect on the earlier comments, I think from Paul, that most of these countries had disposed of their foreign film holdings in the past few decades so you have to wonder how a haul of that magnitude could be possible - that's the essential crux of the matter & the reason why this won't go away until there's an unequivocable statement from TIEA / BBC : An almost impossible scenario yet even the experts in the field appear to give it a fair degree of credence
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Post by Daniel Y. Shin on Dec 22, 2013 2:27:43 GMT
Although we're diverging from the subject I think that there were enough similar, independent reports about... It is clearly off subject. Sorry to derail this from the MBW discussion. I couldn't get to the event this year, but with the weather I was home watching the BD of Rashoman and then this thread came up. In no way does your continuous inclusion of contradictory statements display either conceit or the arrogance of the self-entitled. I agree they are wholly self-assured, self-conceited, self-righteous, self-entitled, and whatever other denigrating demonstratives your self-insight might help us uncover. And while there is nothing more exhilarating than pointing out the shortcomings of others... to group me in with the omni-loonies!?!?! |
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Post by Neil Lambess on Dec 22, 2013 2:36:13 GMT
Remember the rules of tabloid journalism. 1) never let the truth get in the way of a good story 2) the answer to any headline put as a question is generally "No" to be honest it doesn't actually say anything. This on the other hand is far more irresponsible www.kasterborous.com/2013/12/weve-learned-bfi-tonight/Especially the last line (about marco polo 5) which is now also being reported on DWA twitter. I'm sure I've read somewhere that it was a joke... FWIW putting a fake film can with Marco Polo ep 5 (or 3) on it in a documentry at an event where its stated that internet speculation (particularly from Doctor who fans ) is hindering potential recovery processes is in APPALINGLY bad taste ! (and entirely self defeating ! ) |
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Post by Marty Schultz on Dec 22, 2013 2:45:39 GMT
Although we're diverging from the subject I think that there were enough similar, independent reports about... It is clearly off subject. Sorry to derail this from the MBW discussion. I couldn't get to the event this year, but with the weather I was home watching the BD of Rashoman and then this thread came up. In no way does your continuous rinclusion of contradictory statements display either conceit or the arrogance of the self-entitled. I agree they are wholly self-assured, self-conceited, self-righteous, self-entitled, and whatever other denigrating demonstratives your self-insight might help us uncover. And while there is nothing more exhilarating than pointing out the shortcomings of others... to group me in with the omni-loonies!?!?! Yeah. Your replies are often bizarre however I was indeed harsh. Sorry. |
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Post by Neil Lambess on Dec 22, 2013 3:32:24 GMT
hopefully - that small extract with Chris and Dick discussing the rumours could make it online - If you cut out the BBC news clips there'd be no clearance issues - or a transcript because I don't think it's at all clear cut. I personally thought Dick said something like, not just hundreds, not even just thousands - which would lead the brain to fill in the 10,000 comment; Anyway - this segment followed on from the library of congress finds and was built up as something significantly bigger - not on what has been announced so far it isn't! Chris or Dick also very pointedly stated that this info was what they had heard when the segment was recorded, I'd personally expect Chris & Dick to know a damn sight more than the rest of us about this ( other than those involved directly of course )and If the sort of figures being suggested were based on the notions Dick mentions in that Facebook comment then I don't see how that fits with the impression given in the documentary at all, On the other hand of course you have to reflect on the earlier comments, I think from Paul, that most of these countries had disposed of their foreign film holdings in the past few decades so you have to wonder how a haul of that magnitude could be possible - that's the essential crux of the matter & the reason why this won't go away until there's an unequivacable statement from TIEA / BBC : An almost impossible scenario yet even the experts in the field appear to give it a fair degree of credence the thing is .....(despite the actual intrepretaion of whats been said at MBW to the actual numbers.) 10,000 isnt that many when you consider television in the 60s....... if a tv station had to fill 12 hours of programming , thats 12 film cans a day right there , if half of the days prograaming were half hour shows thats an average of 18 cans of film a day or 6570 can per year for just one tv station....... so if somebody found the last two years of a single tv stations programming in storage thats 13, 140 cans of film.... ! now if it was a country with 4 tv stations that showed different programming to each other ...(ala Nigeria) and they were all sent back to one storage area..(ala Nigeria) . thats 52,560 film cans in storage...... (from many tv companies areound the world.....) theres a precedent for this in New Zealand , as over 10.000 ex TVNZ prints were stored in two shipping containers on a wharf in wellington for many years , they were eventually sorted by workers hired on a job scheme for the unemployed , by the NZ film archive to search for any NZ related material , in about 1994 ....... (non NZ content was apparently destroyed , but im aware that quite lot of stuff still went walkies from the 94ish sort.....) from memory ,it was the same material that Grahame Howard discovered the Moonbase and Marco Polo cans in a few years beforehand that sadly had different material in the cans so yeah.......its surprising how quickly the numbers add up , if you found a film storage warehouse that hadnt destroyed expired product or sent it on to other countries..... (especially if it was at the end of the chain .....and they were been held awaiting further instructions..... like the TVNZ containers ) |
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Post by Greg H on Dec 22, 2013 5:07:43 GMT
I guess there will be some discussion of this shortly. If it doesn't warrant a new thread, please merge it with something existing or delete as you will  So, for the bods who have made it along this year, has a plethora of missing who been announced or is it all scheduled material? I don't think they would announce it at this time. That would take attention away from the Christmas episode. Hmm, you could be right, but I am veering towards maybe it wouldn't negatively impact upon the viewing figures. The publicity in the media might even drive them up. I can't say I am an expert on the psychology of (would this be) marketing and publicity, but I don't know if the buzz in the media would be detrimental.......... |
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Post by Paul McDermott on Dec 22, 2013 5:31:29 GMT
hopefully - that small extract with Chris and Dick discussing the rumours could make it online - If you cut out the BBC news clips there'd be no clearance issues - or a transcript because I don't think it's at all clear cut. I personally thought Dick said something like, not just hundreds, not even just thousands - which would lead the brain to fill in the 10,000 comment; Anyway - this segment followed on from the library of congress finds and was built up as something significantly bigger - not on what has been announced so far it isn't! Chris or Dick also very pointedly stated that this info was what they had heard when the segment was recorded, I'd personally expect Chris & Dick to know a damn sight more than the rest of us about this ( other than those involved directly of course )and If the sort of figures being suggested were based on the notions Dick mentions in that Facebook comment then I don't see how that fits with the impression given in the documentary at all, On the other hand of course you have to reflect on the earlier comments, I think from Paul, that most of these countries had disposed of their foreign film holdings in the past few decades so you have to wonder how a haul of that magnitude could be possible - that's the essential crux of the matter & the reason why this won't go away until there's an unequivacable statement from TIEA / BBC : An almost impossible scenario yet even the experts in the field appear to give it a fair degree of credence the thing is .....(despite the actual intrepretaion of whats been said at MBW to the actual numbers.) 10,000 isnt that many when you consider television in the 60s....... if a tv station had to fill 12 hours of programming , thats 12 film cans a day right there , if half of the days prograaming were half hour shows thats an average of 18 cans of film a day or 6570 can per year for just one tv station....... so if somebody found the last two years of a single tv stations programming in storage thats 13, 140 cans of film.... ! now if it was a country with 4 tv stations that showed different programming to each other ...(ala Nigeria) and they were all sent back to one storage area..(ala Nigeria) . thats 52,560 film cans in storage...... (from many tv companies areound the world.....) theres a precedent for this in New Zealand , as over 10.000 ex TVNZ prints were stored in two shipping containers on a wharf in wellington for many years , they were eventually sorted by workers hired on a job scheme for the unemployed , by the NZ film archive to search for any NZ related material , in about 1994 ....... (non NZ content was apparently destroyed , but im aware that quite lot of stuff still went walkies from the 94ish sort.....) from memory ,it was the same material that Grahame Howard discovered the Moonbase and Marco Polo cans in a few years beforehand that sadly had different material in the cans so yeah.......its surprising how quickly the numbers add up , if you found a film storage warehouse that hadnt destroyed expired product or sent it on to other countries..... (especially if it was at the end of the chain .....and they were been held awaiting further instructions..... like the TVNZ containers ) Interesting background Neil - plenty of food for thought, and presumably aside from the UK's traveling prints (BBC/ITV) there's other angles, a la the TIE line? Add on the new angle (at least, new to us lot) re the Taiwan find - which for all we know is the tip of an iceberg others such as Phil haven't discussed but have been aware of - who knows?  Things will take as long as they take. Maybe the new maps will bring no booty, maybe a long row of identical locked safes that could contain viable priceless material or useless junk. It's not a rush job, and I think patience is as much a challenge for those seeking out this material as it is for us hoping one day to watch more of it. However things go, I think cautious optimism is a not unreasonable stance - and equal measures of gratitude and good wishes for those doing their darnedest to find what's still missing! |
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Post by John Wall on Dec 22, 2013 9:16:44 GMT
I was there and the figure 10,000 was definitely mentioned because me and my partner both discussed it in the interval. TIEA was mentioned in the second part because Dick Fiddy gave an explanation for why the running order wasn't published in advance - they were waiting to hear if Phil Morris was going to release some items for inclusion. You clearly heard what you wanted not what was actually said. |
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