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Post by Laurence Piper on Dec 19, 2005 17:38:52 GMT
OK, thanks Dick. Two questions for myself. Firstly, where did Man Of The Decade finally turn up and what format is it on? Did a previous (non-broadcast standard) copy exist?
Secondly, I was also glad that the Lucky Stars Merseybeat special was returned finally on broadcast VT (as opposed to the VHS copy); where did this come from and what are the chances of the source resulting in further such vintage material re-emerging?
All in all, a fascinating batch of material on display again at MBW.
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Post by Mark Brown on Dec 19, 2005 18:00:51 GMT
That was just a coincidence.
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Post by Andrew Doherty on Dec 19, 2005 21:19:06 GMT
I would be interested to know what the original format (405 line video tape?) for "Shaggy Dog" was when found by Chris Perry. For that matter, what were the telerecording formats (16 or 35mm telerecordings) for the Boyd Q.C. and No Hiding Place and 'Tyranny' programmes?
I believe that the first two 'Avengers' stories exist, somewhere - possibly on original video tapes.
Interestingly enough, one of the script writers for the first 'Avengers' programmes did work for script of Dr No. I noted the hidden villain stroking a dog. Makes me think the idea was carried over using a cat for another 'hidden' villain in subsequent film stories. Even more of a coincidence is to note the appearances of two actors from the 1957 Boyd Q.C. episode, Honor Blackman and Desmond Llewelyn. A small world, even then.
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Post by Brian Fretwell on Dec 19, 2005 21:55:56 GMT
Well sitting at the back "Shaggy Dog" looked like an optical conversion of 405 line to 625. All were shown off the NFT1 (Dlp?) video projector.
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Post by Andrew Doherty on Dec 19, 2005 23:09:32 GMT
I was told that a digital tape format was given for the showing of 'Shaggy Dog'. Obviously not the original format. So, it would be interesting to know about the original recording and the tape/film formats for the other programmes.
Yours,
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Post by Laurence Piper on Dec 19, 2005 23:28:40 GMT
I would be interested to know what the original format (405 line video tape?) for "Shaggy Dog" was when found by Chris Perry. I believe that the first two 'Avengers' stories exist, somewhere - possibly on original video tapes. According to Kal guide, the other episodes that survive of Company Of Five are on 625 line b/w VT - although Shaggy Dog didn't seem to look like this on it's NFT screening. What do you base your idea on that the first two Avengers are still around and on VT too? I'm not saying you're wrong; just that i've never heard of this before so you seem to have some specific knowledge. |
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Post by John Stewart Miller on Dec 20, 2005 10:33:52 GMT
Why didn't they shoiw D For Destruction?  |
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Post by B Thomas on Dec 20, 2005 11:12:48 GMT
Wasn't that one shown at a MBW a couple of years ago?
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Post by Laurence Piper on Dec 20, 2005 13:53:19 GMT
I think he's joking!
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Post by Kev on Dec 20, 2005 14:58:31 GMT
OK, thanks Dick. Two questions for myself. Firstly, where did Man Of The Decade finally turn up and what format is it on? Did a previous (non-broadcast standard) copy exist? Secondly, I was also glad that the Lucky Stars Merseybeat special was returned finally on broadcast VT (as opposed to the VHS copy); where did this come from and what are the chances of the source resulting in further such vintage material re-emerging? All in all, a fascinating batch of material on display again at MBW. I think the TYLS must have come from Australia. It was broadcast over there 64-65. Ine cannibalised episode survives along with the whole Merseybeat. Presumably they didn't bother editing that one as there are so many "the Beatles are coming up" references. |
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Post by Dick Fiddy on Dec 20, 2005 18:39:03 GMT
I'll check on the various format questions. As for the other queries:
Yes, the Thank Your Lucky Stars did come back from Australia
Director Mark Tinker who was making a doc on John Lennon tracked down and provided the Man of the Decade. I'm not sure where (and on what format) he found it but I'll ask the question. Poor quality vhs copies have been sold/swapped/circulated round Beatle fan circles for years.
I think the Shaggy Dog was a 16mm telerecording from a 625 line transmission/videotape.
Most of the material we showed on the day had been transferred to digibeta.
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Post by Andrew Doherty on Dec 20, 2005 19:10:51 GMT
The reason why I believe there to be at least one set of copies of 'Hot Snow and 'Brought to Book' is because they were pre-recorded, unlike subsequent first series episodes and the first two episodes were networked at different times. Of course they may not exist, but there is a reasonable chance that, perhaps, one set of recordings has survived. Certainly, I have never ruled this out.
Yours,
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Post by Mark Tinkler on Dec 31, 2005 12:41:09 GMT
Actually, it's Mark Tinkler, the well known typing error...
"Man of the Decade" was sent to me on NTSC Beta SP which I converted to PAL digi-Beta - and although it was originally a 16mm tele-recording (or kinescope as it came from the US), I have no idea - and it's difficult to tell - whether or not the Beta SP I was sent was sourced direct from the 16mm, or had gone to a few tape generations before I received it.
The reason "Man of the Decade" has survived in the US is because ITC sold it as a 16mm film to the US - presumably in the UK it was transmitted off 2" as Desmond Morris's links were reocrded in a studio, everything else being shot or sourced off film.
I did discover a few other copies of "Man of the Decade" in the US of worse quality and of varying lengths - needless to say, the one that I got back was the best quality and most complete... even down to the VT clock.
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Post by Laurence Piper on Dec 31, 2005 15:03:55 GMT
Thanks for that info. As the show was sold as a t/r, was the original in b/w then rather than colour (I don't have the tx date to hand, although I know it was screened around the switchover to colour)? Assuming here that the recovered t/r isn't colour, of course. Anyway, well done with the recovery, Mark. Amazing to think that something as notable as that wasn't considered worth keeping in 1969, even after The Beatles were world famous!
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Post by Mark Tinkler on Jan 2, 2006 11:49:29 GMT
It IS in colour - though obviously alot of the clips of the Beatles are B&W...
Thanks for the kind words - possibly one of the reasons it didn't survive in the ATV/ITC archives is that getting the permissions to re-show it would be extremely difficult. Also remember that it is only part 3 of a show that also included segments on President John F. Kennedy and Ho Chi Min.
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