Missing Believed Wiped 2005

[John Stewart Miller]

John said:

I feel your pain. I have been posting on this site since 2003, and before that on the old forum. Recently however a host of imposters with similar-but not-quite-the-same names have been appearing on this site.

Don't include me though John. My middle name is genuinely Stewart, and I began using it not to sound 'public school' but; as I noticed another (straight) John Miller (whether genuine or not); posting things that had nothing to do with me, I thought I'd better change it.

I'm actually one of the more serious TV enthusiasts and haven't the time to waste posting humourous one liners! (perhaps unfortunately)

[John Stewart Miller]

Dick said:

Hello. I now have a confirmed date for this year's All-ITV Missing Believed Wiped at the NFT. It will be on Sunday December 11 - actual times TBC but late/afternoon early evening start. It will be predominently new material (or material new to MBW - we will show Shaggy Dog) but the final line-up is still to be verified. Currently hoping to show the Hitler sister interview and Boyd QC among other things. More details nearer the time but I thought I'd give those interested the date for their diary.

P.S. Thanks Dick for confirming this date. Don't know if I overlooked it previously, but I have no excuse not to get my tickets now!

[Stewart Douglas]

I wouldn't mind if they repeated the 2003 event this year, as I'd like to be able to see D For Destruction on the big screen again ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

[Tristan]

I would just like to ask where one would get tickets for this event?

[Laurence Piper]

From the NFT box office. I'm going to it as I hope to see D For Destruction.

[robby]

gonna git dan there this year see the big noisus who writ here they can get me some big pints .
spose those snotty 1s from the masourluslum club
will look dan there hooters at evrybuddy else and call them wiffy

[B Fretwell]

From the ITV at NFT program it looks like it's all ITV this year so no D fro Destruction, but the first reel of Hot Snow is promised in the first program.

Second program mainly (Unused ?) interviews with "Those close to Hitler" made for a 1959 program and not seen for many years.

Haven't got the booklet with me so can't add to that at present.

[Mark Brown]

So who went then? what was it like?

[Brian Fretwell]

I was there for most of Prog 1, I miised a train and the first 15 minutes.

No Hiding Place was good, seemed to have a few minutes missing in the last part and the program notes had the wrong cast.

Boyd QC, very good Honor Blackman looking great Ronald Leigh Hunt was in both this and the NHP. Shows that not all TV at that time was slow paced.

Hot Snow, first part, an interesting set up for The Avengers, just about enough left to show that Dr Keel was avenging.

Shaggy Dog, I remember this from the first TV showing (was it the only time?), Better than I remember and it stood out in my memory, I was only 16 at the time.
Did't remeber the title ofr that it was a Dennis Potter but very glad it had been found, really a long way to tip a rarey.

[Mister B]

Brian said:

I was there for most of Prog 1, I missed a train and the first 15 minutes.
No Hiding Place was good, seemed to have a few minutes missing in the last part and the program notes had the wrong cast.

The reason for the wrong cast list on the programme notes which was not the fault of the BFI is that up until recently it was thought the episode was Third Party Risk. After all, that was the episode title listed on the film leader I understand. However I was aware that this could have been the wrong episode, as being able to view the programme shortly after recovery last year I found that Third Party Risk had no credits to Ronald Allen appearing.

I discovered by accident recently the correct episode and matching details in another TV Times.

The episode is in fact Expert with Salt T/X 20 August 1963.

The correct cast list in order of appearance is as follows:-

Det Insp Baxter...........ERIC LANDER
Sgt Bowman................BARRY RAYMOND
Roley Sadler..............ALAN WHITE
Det Chief-Supt Lockhart...RAYMOND FRANCIS
Miss Pringle..............ELIZABETH BENSON
Justine Flower............NAOMI CHANCE
Charles Milner............JEROLD WELLS
Nesta Somers..............JUDITH SOUTH
Derek Breen...............RONALD ALLEN
Lee Tok...................ANTHONY CHIN
Gloria Connell............KATHERINE SCHOFIELD
Arnold Gracie.............RONALD LEIGH-HUNT

Although I understand Dick Fiddy was aware of the episode change details, this would I imagine have been too late for the programme notes.

[Brian Fretwell]

Thanks for that. Will add to the sheet.
The title (Expert with Salt) was correct in the notes though.

[John Stewart Miller]

Brian said:

I was there for most of Prog 1, I miised a train and the first 15 minutes.

No Hiding Place was good, seemed to have a few minutes missing in the last part and the program notes had the wrong cast.

Boyd QC, very good Honor Blackman looking great Ronald Leigh Hunt was in both this and the NHP. Shows that not all TV at that time was slow paced.

Hot Snow, first part, an interesting set up for The Avengers, just about enough left to show that Dr Keel was avenging.

Shaggy Dog, I remember this from the first TV showing (was it the only time?), Better than I remember and it stood out in my memory, I was only 16 at the time.
Did't remeber the title ofr that it was a Dennis Potter but very glad it had been found, really a long way to tip a rarey.

My own comments for 'No hiding place'; seem to recall this on TV 'always' during my early childhood. Listening to the music on bath night (Friday) ? As it was the music I recalled best, the example found, as it had missing titles, wouldn't have been the best surviving if others didn't (to represent the series, period).

I liked Ron Leigh Hunt, noting he was also in the 'Boyd QC' I would guess the collector who had these was a Leigh Hunt fan ?

I like 'Place in the sun', the 1965 'lost and found' episode better. I'll probably get chastised for this, but I was sitting up during the 'street scene' film inserts; trying to see what the shops were ! This is a specialist interest of mine, but I do think footage of the streets and shops of the time present a historical time capsule, regardless of the rest of the content !

I liked 'Shaggy Dog'. I'm not a Potter fan, but a writers work is always part of a package of the team making producing the TV version; and the time in which the piece was made. Thus I'd be sitting thinking "Ah! 1968, interesting shots of the central London I visited with my parents at the time" and such like.

Nice to see early LWT stuff turning up. As my comment indicates, viewers outside the Potter fan spectrum I think would like this. Good cast, quite 'swinging sixties'. The piece was at bottom line a comedy based around a terrible corny joke (funny though), which I guessed half way through just as it was starting to mentally disturb me a bit!!

A satire on class and business noteably. This style of output was bordeline comedy / straight drama (black comedy) and frequently made in the 60s; (another example being 'The Lover' for ITV).

Brian is right, 'Hot snow' did reach the bit where the reason for Dr Peels 'avenging' arises; but we didn't unfortunately get to the bit where Steed was brought in to form 'the Avengers' (beggars can't be choosers though)! I though the cocaine plot (referred to in the title) was remarkably contraversial for the time, and topical now! It was interesting to note the organisations boss; face out of shot in smoking jacket with cat on lap; and camp Murray Melvin; in the role of a thug. I felt these were indicators to Brian Clemens later direction for the series, which at that stage was a much more straightforward crime thriller.

Have to put in a good word for 'Goodbye again'. I think for Cook and Moore fans, the show is funny; (though pales in comparison to the BBC shows); but it has absolutely GREAT pop sections. The first Donovan number was original and haunting (about a Swan). I've seen other stuff by him from Bobbie Gentry and He's VERY under rated. The other act was Ike and Tina Turner, but I'd certainly like to see some other complete examples.

I felt the 'Hitler documentary' section was actually so important it's a pity it wasn't recorded. Director Peter Morley is an immaculately concise speaker, every word in place and well thought out.

Comments - I'd be interested to know if the forum has been recorded in previous years (even by fans); particulary Bob monkhouses one; and I'm still hoping for a re appearence of Terry Jones to see what he found in his basement (as previously mentioned). Hopefully a missing Roy Hudd 60s show ?

[Laurence Piper]

I also enjoyed the whole day very much too. The biggest drawback for me of MBW is the lack of follow-up; for instance, nothing was said about Terry Jones' comment last year about his offer of checking out his cellar of film prints for more missing TV for this years' event. Also, in past years there has been more feedback from the audience, question and answer sessions by panels / TV people and info updates by the presenters of the screenings on recent recoveries etc. This year it felt that proceedings were just rushed through to the end with no summing up or anything.

[Dick Fiddy]

Alas, Terry Jones search of his cellar resulted in nothing new I'm afraid. If you do have any follow-up questions re MBW stuff, just post them here and I'll try and answer them when I can.

[Dick Fiddy]

Also - all the MBW event intros since the very first year have been audio-recorded for the archive.