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Post by andrew martin on May 1, 2006 14:22:44 GMT
The Clodagh Rodgers "Dee Time" clip is a 35mm telerecording, the links for 17/11/69 are 16mm, thus they're not on the same reel! There's no mention of "Dee Time" on the 17/11/69 material. The fact that the "Dee Time" clip was telerecorded in November 69 would presumably be because it was originally recorded on VT and was transferred to 35mm at a later date - was there perhaps a "Dee Time" clip show at the end of the year? (Don't make me go and check...!) That would perhaps explain why there are a smattering of "Dee Time" clips in existence. As to why the links recordiing was made - I have no solid information, though it does have a BBC Enterprises recording number (16/6ENT/55399), though what they would need links for... unless they wanted to use b/w versions of trails to promote programmes such as "The Doctors" and "Take Three Girls", and they telerecorded them off air as a cheap and easy way of getting copies? That's very much just a guess though - the archive has pretty much no documentation telling anyone *why* things were recorded.
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Post by Mark Boulton on May 1, 2006 21:44:32 GMT
You're right Andrew. I've just viewed them again and it just *looks* like they're on the same reel, but it just appears to be the way it has been edited onto the DVD I've got.
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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2006 8:22:33 GMT
As to why the links recordiing was made - I have no solid information, though it does have a BBC Enterprises recording number (16/6ENT/55399), though what they would need links for... unless they wanted to use b/w versions of trails to promote programmes such as "The Doctors" and "Take Three Girls", and they telerecorded them off air as a cheap and easy way of getting copies? That's very much just a guess though - the archive has pretty much no documentation telling anyone *why* things were recorded. I'd never heard of Enterprises telerecording material themselves before now, Andrew. This raises the interesting possibility that other such links and continuity may be on programme reels as yet unknown (?) |
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Post by andrew martin on May 3, 2006 13:05:16 GMT
The Enterprises telerecording number just means they asked for the recording to be made - it's just the same kind of number as on the vast majority of telerecordings (replacing the earlier 'TU' recording numbers used up to c.1964). There are a few recordings made for Enterprises which do have continuity links (if they were live programmes) but the vast majority have been 'tidied up', i.e. they have leaders added as they are to be used as duplicating masters.
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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2006 14:21:43 GMT
Ah, I see. Thanks for clearing that up. Making a very rough guess, how much of the continuity that must exist on recordings of programmes in the archives would you say has been logged as existing / catalogued? Is it still being uncovered as recordings are pulled out? I see that LNLU makes mention of a few PasB recordings with links / globe / weather etc. so there seems to be some attempt being made to recognise that it's there.
Just something i've always wondered about!
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Post by andrew martin on May 3, 2006 17:08:58 GMT
I have my own database of continuity - pretty much all the links and trails on film recordings have now been logged, though some still turns up. As the project to upgrade old cataloguing entries goes on (which I'm not part of), more and more continuity is officially logged too. There are also some links and trails on VT, and I've got quite a lot of those logged too - the pre-1980s stuff is the rare material, there is still some stuff to be found I'm sure, though a lot of recordings of live programmes are recorded from what comes out of the studio rather than the 'network' version - handy for 'behind the scenes' shots but not for idents etc! From about 1981 as well as some (but not much) broadcast standard continuity material, there is a huge amount of such material on VHS, some of which has survived the decades pretty well...
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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2006 22:01:57 GMT
I have my own database of continuity Thanks Andrew. Any chance you could post or e-mail it? I'd be very interested to see this! |
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Post by Simon Mclean on May 4, 2006 10:24:47 GMT
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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2006 12:54:05 GMT
Indeed! 4pm was an early start for BBC-2 in those days. I only recall Play School and occasional items being on during the daytime then (even at weekends the first thing on would start about 7.30, before the days of Saturday Cinema etc). Just the sort of thing I like to see too, being a continuity freak!
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Post by Andrew Martin on May 4, 2006 15:38:43 GMT
I have my own database of continuity Thanks Andrew. Any chance you could post or e-mail it? I'd be very interested to see this! It's a VERY long list... If you let me have your email address I can do you a copy. |
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Post by Andrew Martin on May 4, 2006 15:40:52 GMT
Indeed! 4pm was an early start for BBC-2 in those days. I only recall Play School and occasional items being on during the daytime then (even at weekends the first thing on would start about 7.30, before the days of Saturday Cinema etc). Just the sort of thing I like to see too, being a continuity freak! BBC2 went through a brief phase of doing stuff on Saturday afternoons early on - I think it was up to the BBC what specific hours they transmitted though they had a limit set by the Postmaster General. One other programme that was on Saturday afternoons were the omnibus repeats of "Compact" that they did for a while (one of which exists). |
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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2006 15:45:41 GMT
It's a VERY long list... If you let me have your email address I can do you a copy. Cheers, Andrew. I'll send it to you in a U2U on Mausoleum Club. |
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Post by Nick Gilbert on May 4, 2006 18:57:38 GMT
I don't suppose anyone can shed any light on the Joe Orton Simon Dee interview? Clips were shown in the Kenneth Williams doc reshown on BBC4 recently.
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Post by lfbarfe on May 29, 2006 11:18:55 GMT
Sure you're not confusing it with the JO on Eamonn Andrews clip, which survives on pristine VT?
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Post by lfbarfe on May 29, 2006 11:20:44 GMT
because it was originally recorded on VT and was transferred to 35mm at a later date - was there perhaps a "Dee Time" clip show at the end of the year? (Don't make me go and check...!) That would perhaps explain why there are a smattering of "Dee Time" clips in existence. Yes, there appear to have been 2 compilation shows. One at the end of 68 and another at the end of 69. Presumably the links were done live by SD. L |
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