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Post by ajsmith on Nov 5, 2012 10:37:02 GMT
Aspergersy as it is, I'd love to get an exact breakdown of when the various Bonzos line up changes happened, esp during the 67-68 period. As we see, Bohay-Nowell seems to have survived slightly longer than Spoons, but it might have only been a couple of weeks at most. The Bonzos wetn through 4 bass players in one year from late 67 to late 68, Bohay-Nowell, Clague, Druckman and Cowan: it's always seems very muddy when one started and the other began, and there is conflicting evidence: Clague and Druckman both claim to be on the same tracks for instance.
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Post by stephenbray on Nov 5, 2012 11:34:09 GMT
I've been doing something similar myself  What makes you think Vernon outlasts Sam, btw? They are both on the first DNAYS, but a week later neither of them are, yet Dave Clague is. Clague and Druckman on same tracks. Tricky to sort out, but then again Druckman does give quite a crystal clear remembrance of the Spaceman recording session, whereas I dont' think Clague does, despite claiming to be on it. I think you've got Vernon 'til the very end of December '67, Clague 'til May or June '68, Druckman from then 'til Oct '68 I think, and Cowan from thereon in. |
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Post by Peter Stirling on Nov 5, 2012 15:26:28 GMT
I'm a bit worried about the dates-especially sice IMDB splits 'Showtimes' between season 1 and 'unknown season',with shows from the spring or summer of 1968 assaigned to one or another seemingly arbitrarily. There's a show listed for 10th June 1968 and another for 23rd.? Are UK and US airdates mixed together here? The Big Show was not networked, so there maybe different dates for the same show in the UK? What IMDB tries to do is give the earliest date. If there is a US transmission date it will be in the dates as 'US'. The Big Show aka Showtime ran between circa April to July 68 in the UK (not every week) and circa July - Sept 68 in the states ie. summer filler for popular programme having a break. However  looking at that Bonzo clip again, it does not look like a 'The Big Show' set.... maybe wrong? |
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Post by stephenbray on Nov 5, 2012 15:30:11 GMT
The source for it being 'The Big Show' are, I think, the 'Inside the Bonzos' DVD (which must have had to licence it in the first place) and also a fairly comphrensive bootleg that's doing the rounds. I wouldn't have thought both would be wrong...
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Post by ajsmith on Nov 5, 2012 15:40:19 GMT
What makes you think Vernon outlasts Sam, btw? They are both on the first DNAYS, but a week later neither of them are, yet Dave Clague is. . I'm probably wrong, I thought it was only Vernon on the first DNAYS, I probably just missed Spoons. Yeah it's almost certainly Druckman on Urban Spaceman: he's in the promo video as well. |
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Post by stephenbray on Nov 5, 2012 15:56:21 GMT
Sam's quite integral to the first DNAYS - he plays Frankenstein's Monster...as he still does 45 years later with the band!
Never seen a Clague interview, so dont' know when he does claim to be on these songs. Maybe it's just someone's assumption?
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Post by Peter Stirling on Nov 5, 2012 15:57:34 GMT
The source for it being 'The Big Show' are, I think, the 'Inside the Bonzos' DVD (which must have had to licence it in the first place) and also a fairly comphrensive bootleg that's doing the rounds. I wouldn't have thought both would be wrong... Your probably right Stephen I am mind wandering LOL. I was thinking it might have been a performance from 7/11/67 on a programme called New Faces (no not the 70s one) |
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Post by ajsmith on Nov 5, 2012 16:03:20 GMT
Sam's quite integral to the first DNAYS - he plays Frankenstein's Monster...as he still does 45 years later with the band! Never seen a Clague interview, so dont' know when he does claim to be on these songs. Maybe it's just someone's assumption? The interview is here, along with precise list of songs he claims to be on, inc Urban Spaceman. www.neilinnes.org/scdave.htmto give him the benefit of the doubt, it may possibly have been an earlier/demo version. |
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Post by stephenbray on Nov 5, 2012 16:04:38 GMT
Peter, New Faces survives and features both Sam and Vernon, although Sam is in a rather lesser role...until he becomes Little Sir Echo, of course!
Cant' believed I'd forgotten about that Clague interview. D'oh! Cheers for the reminder!
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Post by stephenbray on Nov 5, 2012 16:09:43 GMT
Looks like Dave Clague joined earlier than has been postulated. Looks like he was in the band before Magical Mystery or the first DNAYS was even shown!
Clague: "They were also opening for the BeeGees at the Savile Theatre, London in a few days..." also "...We played somewhere in East London on Christmas Eve '67..."
" B > Bee Gees > November 19, 1967 Setlist Saville Theatre" - "at the end of 1967...triumphantly they returned to Saville Theatre..."
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Post by stephenbray on Nov 5, 2012 16:09:58 GMT
Unless, of course, he was covering for 'ill Vernon' at the time...
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Post by tonyrees on Nov 6, 2012 23:59:05 GMT
They were also on Thank Your Lucky Stars Saturday 2nd April 1966, BBC2 Music International 14th April 1967, Dee Time 21st October 1967, BBC2 International Cabaret 7th November 1967 performing Little Sir Echo and Equestrian Statue, The Golden Shot 31st March 1968, ATV The Big Show 23rd June 1968, ITV Hullabaloo 8th and 10th July 1968, plus the usual DNAYS, TOTP etc
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Post by stephenbray on Nov 7, 2012 0:18:58 GMT
Very detailed! Where's all that from?
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Post by Peter Stirling on Nov 7, 2012 20:08:57 GMT
Very detailed! Where's all that from? The TonyRees Pop Diaries managed with love by ME member Kevin Mulrenan, they were online not sure now? |
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Post by stephenbray on Nov 7, 2012 21:29:31 GMT
Would be interested which TOTPs they appeared on. I gather they were on four times.
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looking at that Bonzo clip again, it does not look like a 'The Big Show' set.... maybe wrong?