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Post by jonathanbollen on Jun 6, 2012 22:21:36 GMT
i hope they will be generous enough to let Kal or the BBC have a copy I plan to send it to The BBC all people who payed for this clip will get the clip for what they payed. But I'm going to remaster it frist and will be on youtube but unlisted so ony people with the link can watch it. |
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Post by Ray Langstone (was saintsray) on Jun 7, 2012 0:10:10 GMT
I second that Rich.
I don't want to sound like an anarchist - but I have a lot of odd views on things (I'm told), and if I ever had the means to purchase a lot of missing footage, what I would do is copy it, give away free copies (note, NOT sell), put it on youtube, and give copies to the broadcaster, any archive with a claim, the BFI and also the original and copies to Kal.
One day...........
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Post by mike phillips on Jun 7, 2012 17:08:23 GMT
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Post by Rich Cornock on Jun 7, 2012 18:17:40 GMT
That is BRILLIANT!!!!!
So good to see an early Abba performance. The recording seems in remarkable condition apart from the wonky line at the beginning and running along the bottom of the picture throughout the performance. Can this be restored?
Well done to all the Abba fans for getting this clip recovered and making it available to see. It would make a brilliant addition to TOTP2 in the same way as the recently recovered Bowie clip.
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Post by Chris Barratt on Jun 7, 2012 18:49:34 GMT
Excellent stuff - that arrangment does the recorded version no justice at all however. In hindsight it's always mystified me how a single as good as 'So Long' flopped in the UK but perhaps seeing the TOTP version fills in some of the blanks for me....
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Post by iwest on Jun 7, 2012 18:54:14 GMT
There's a second upload on TOTP; this one has a logo added but it's 480p so might be fractionally better quality: www.youtube.com/watch?v=GFYcbKoztz0Not sure how I feel about all this. It's really great to finally see this, and it proves that these clips can actually be obtained if people stump up the cash (which I had doubts about before based on previous discussions of the sellers and their methods.) And my thanks to the people from abbaontv.com who put their money where their mouths are and helped fund this. But - and it's a rather big 'but' - it does rather set a precedent now this has been done. |
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Post by Ken Griffin on Jun 7, 2012 19:32:48 GMT
I also have mixed feelings - I advised Sara not to deal with the sellers because I was concerned about the precedent it set.
On the other hand, a member of this forum of the trading persuasion held a copy which they were unwilling to return to the BBC. They had been seeking access to broadcast quality material in exchange for its return. I tried my best to put Sara in touch with that person but they clearly weren't interested.
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Post by Rich Cornock on Jun 8, 2012 8:24:46 GMT
If you read about this clips recovery on the Abba website they mention that 2 other people had copies of this clip but one didnt reply and the other only wanted to trade.
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Post by Ray Langstone (was saintsray) on Jun 8, 2012 8:33:59 GMT
All I want to say is I spoke to a lot of people about this clip, some on the Forum (all great people), some on email and other bits of the internet (mainly likewise), and also some who stated they owned it and encouraged them to part with it, to....varying responses. Now it's out there. That I'm pleased about, even if my part in the process was about 0.1%!!!!!!!!!!!
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Post by Ken Griffin on Jun 8, 2012 10:21:59 GMT
i hope they will be generous enough to let Kal or the BBC have a copy I wouldn't worry on that front. The purchaser wants to return the material to the BBC and has sought my advice on doing so. I pointed her to Kal who would have the most experience of doing such things. |
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Post by Ray Langstone (was saintsray) on Jun 8, 2012 10:24:25 GMT
i hope they will be generous enough to let Kal or the BBC have a copy I wouldn't worry on that front. The purchaser wants to return the material to the BBC and has sought my advice on doing so. I pointed her to Kal who would have the most experience of doing such things. Thank you, Ken. |
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Post by Ray Langstone (was saintsray) on Jun 8, 2012 23:07:39 GMT
The two people who owned the clip previously responded in very different ways, that's all I can say.
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Post by iwest on Jun 9, 2012 8:31:13 GMT
Hmmm so it it the case that a lot of these PVL clips are in the posession of multiple people, or was the ABBA clip unique in that respect? I'd assumed that none of these performances were in circulation since I'd seen no evidence of it. But this raises the possibility that some of the other clips are owned by mutliple people too. Although I guess if they're unwilling to share or return to the BBC then it amounts to the same thing really.
But how did these other people get them? Did they do their own private cash deal with the PVL guys?
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Post by peterflint on Jun 9, 2012 15:12:56 GMT
According to the Abba on TV site this clip was never broadcast because of a strike - possibly the reason it was never a hit. If it was never broadcast how then did the seller get it?
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Post by Paul Watkins on Jun 9, 2012 15:48:58 GMT
According to the Abba on TV site this clip was never broadcast because of a strike - possibly the reason it was never a hit. If it was never broadcast how then did the seller get it? Obviously that can't be true otherwise it wouldn't have been recorded in the first place as this is an off-air home recording. Somebody's got their facts wrong on this. |
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