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Post by simonwells61 on Apr 24, 2011 14:09:59 GMT
Hi there,
I imagine his has been covered before, but it's worth reviving for the forum. It's obvious the Bill Grundy/Sex Pistols confrontation on the Today show still exists, but I'm wondering whether the entire show is in the can somewhere? From my researches, the show (and for that matter all of the Sex Pistols portion) has never been re-shown in its entirety.
I suppose that just the clip remains - but it would be nice to think that the whole programme is out there somewhere.
Si
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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2011 17:22:00 GMT
Only the Pistols part exists in broadcast standard (recorded as one source by Bob Pratt, I believe). If the whole show exists, it's probably as an off-air. Malcolm McLaren was supposed to have recorded it and possibly Julien Temple had a copy for use in his films. Whether these were the whole shows though is unclear. No idea what happened to the McLaren tape after his death though.
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Post by Simon Winters on Apr 24, 2011 17:56:55 GMT
There has never been any positive evidence that this programme exists in full in broadcast quality anywhere. Thames archive currently only hold a vhs timecoded version of the BBC Bob Pratt segment. I had this confirmed from them.
That Bob Pratt broadcast quality segment was shown in full at the Kaleidoscope pop event. As far as I know, that was the only ever showing of the fullest version since original live transmission. This Bob Pratt tape is safely held at the BBC.
Simon
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Post by Jeff Lewis on Apr 24, 2011 21:28:48 GMT
Does Thames still the hold copyright and what does the BBC get for holding the clip in their archive?
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Post by simonwells61 on Apr 26, 2011 11:26:02 GMT
I remember watching the programme on its original showing. What I'd like to know is if the small portion of film of the Sex Pistols in the green room at the start of the film exists anywhere?
I have "Sex Pistols Number One" and there's some footage on there as well. I suppose Julien Temple if anyone, would have a copy in his archives.
Around the same time, there was a BBC tea-time show "Young Generation", Most of that is on "Sex Pistols Number One", does it survive officially I wonder?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 26, 2011 11:51:08 GMT
There's also the very rare performance of 'Anarchy In The UK' from Nationwide in 1976. I thought this was lost until it recently was seen in a TOTP documentary. www.youtube.com/watch?v=bj53qb5HChI |
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Post by Ray Langstone (was saintsray) on Apr 26, 2011 16:32:52 GMT
From what I understand, a great deal of Nationwide exists on VIDEO tape (not film) from 71 until its' end in the early 80's.
I am still trying to contact Julien Temple....
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Post by Paul Varley on Apr 28, 2011 13:58:25 GMT
The Sex Pistols clip was Broadcast Quality, and Nationwide was only recorded incase of review if anything dodgy was said on air. In this case, so soon ater their 'Today' show scandal, obviously the BBC made a copy of their appearance incase the same controversy happened and luckily decided to hang on to it.
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Post by simonwells61 on May 2, 2011 11:28:56 GMT
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Post by Gary Robinson on May 2, 2011 19:02:54 GMT
The sad thing is we will probably never see anything like this again in todays multimedia world.
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Post by Dan S on May 5, 2011 15:09:12 GMT
The sad thing is we will probably never see anything like this again in todays multimedia world. This appearance of a group called The Timers on Japanese TV in 1989 provoked similar outrage. On a live show they performed a different song to the one they were supposed to be playing (bands appearing on Japanese TV have to submit all lyrics in advance to have them approved) and sang a rant against FM Tokyo which had banned some of their songs. There's a longer description on the page, and the video is subtitled (it's a video I originally posted but my account was deleted, but I just discovered that someone else reposted it 2 years ago). www.youtube.com/watch?v=FV2n6Y0PWq4 |
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Post by Mark Tinkler on May 5, 2011 16:05:54 GMT
Am I going bonkers? Are we talking about the Bill Grundy "go on swear" interview? I've still got it on Beta somewhere after getting it from Thames TV yonk ago for a Ch 4 "Without Walls" about swearing on TV - it's a proper TX quality an' all. And that was some 20 years ago - so did Thames get it from Bob before then? I never knew that - I thought it had Thames clocks on and everything!
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Post by Ray Langstone (was saintsray) on May 5, 2011 16:40:47 GMT
If that's the case I'm sure Fremantle, Kal (and the BBC) would love a copy. (and so would I....)  |
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Post by Mark Tinkler on May 5, 2011 16:52:48 GMT
But I got this from Thames for Gawd's sake! Now I guarantee I've put that tape in safe place...
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Post by Deleted on May 5, 2011 18:27:03 GMT
Pleased to hear it, Mark! I presume it's just the clip though, rather than complete show.
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