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Post by Rich Cornock on Dec 14, 2011 19:19:50 GMT
this is very sad news. At least you can tell John that the clip has since been removed from Youtube by the poster
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Post by Mark Leech on Dec 14, 2011 19:44:40 GMT
there's always one who has to ruin it - I hope the tape doesn't get binned that would be a terrible shame Glad its been removed from YouTube.
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Post by johnhenshall on Dec 14, 2011 21:55:11 GMT
Dear Friends Let me assure you I will not destroy the master tape! Yes, i was angry that someone had the cheek to record the presentation at BFI/NFT on Sunday and post it on YouTube, thinking that they were being clever. There was a specific warning about this from Dick Fiddy and this abuse threatens the very future of such BFI events. I have also been appalled by the adverse comments about me on bowiewonderworld.com, some of which are libellous, and the abusive eMails I have recieved from some of its contributors. I am a person of integrity and it was a great pleasure to meet many of you at the BFI on Sunday last and discover that you have similar standards. This forum is clearly a cut above some others. The clandestine clip is back on YouTube and elsewhere. The great thing is that the quality is absolute rubbish! Of course, once transmitted it will be everywhere. (And I might have some good news about that for you soon ...) I was on Malcolm Boyden's programme on BBC Radio Oxford this morning talking about the "missing" tape. You can hear it for the next seven days at www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p001d7jv I am just over an hour into the programme at 1h 08m 40s. I gave Malcolm a CD of the audio track and he played it IN FULL, without talking over it. Even DB's "Thanks" on the end! Enjoy! Best wishes, John.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2011 22:13:17 GMT
Thanks for your comments, John. Inevitably in life there's always someone who spoils things for the majority! On Sunday we enjoyed seeing a pristine master tape of stunning clarity - so a lousy Youtube posting is absolutely no substitute for that. The wait for the majority of people to see the performance in all it's true glory will be worth it, I can guarantee.
Thanks again for preserving a little part of TV history so wonderfully, so that we can appreciate it in the future!
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Post by Rich Cornock on Dec 14, 2011 22:18:11 GMT
Hi John
i hope the random emails from 'nutters' don't dishearten you. Unfortunately there are some people out there who have 'issues'. please be assured that everyone on this site is thrilled that you are keen to share your recordings in the way you have.
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Post by Louise Penn on Dec 14, 2011 22:18:19 GMT
There were a couple in front of us as we left MBW and she was talking about putting it on YouTube - she'd obviously recorded it with her phone. He said 'no you won't' or words to that effect. I do hope it wasn't here.
Mr Henshall, I do hope we get to see your work in pristine form on the TV. It was an honour to see it at MBW. I have no idea why some people have to spoil it. Also as a Bowie fan I'm ashamed of my peers on the websites you mention who should be delighted to see the clip again, and respect requests and wishes not to share it for free, however tempted they may be.
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Post by Simon Taylor on Dec 14, 2011 22:20:51 GMT
Agreed, don't let one idiot ruin things.
Thanks for the link to the Malcolm Boyden show. I listened to the Johnnie Walker interview the other day and was intrigued. I've just downloaded the Boyden show and will give it a listen on my ipod tomorrow.
Johnnie Walker did repeat a few times that the footage would be on TOTP2 at Christmas. Has that now been confirmed as being incorrect? I'll be watching it whether its on or not but just thought i'd ask.
Dont read too much into the Bowie forum comments. Sadly that sort of thing is always common on a fansite.
All the best.
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Post by johnhenshall on Dec 15, 2011 0:25:18 GMT
Many thanks for your reassurances – much appreciated. Simon Taylor asked, "Johnnie Walker did repeat a few times that the footage would be on TOTP2 at Christmas. Has that now been confirmed as being incorrect? I'll be watching it whether its on or not but just thought i'd ask." I met the Producer of TOTP, Mark Cooper, on Monday when he invited me to attend the Christmas TOTP recording. Great day; lovely man. He has told me that it will NOT be on TOTP2 on 21 December. That, as they say, is right from the horse's mouth. There is a news item – "David Bowie Top of the Pops footage found by cameraman" – on the BBC website. See www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-oxfordshire-16150178 There have been 100,000 hits since it went up two evenings ago and this has been enough to "promote" the story to National status. This has been noted by BBC bosses and there may be some change to plans. Stay tuned, as they say ...
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Post by johnhenshall on Dec 15, 2011 0:40:03 GMT
Just to clear up an error from another forum which seems to specialise in duff gen, I have ALL the tapes. I made sure of that. The BBC only has a low res copy with BITC. Almost as bad as the YouTube version.
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Post by Thomas Walsh on Dec 15, 2011 0:58:11 GMT
John.....talent and integrity like yours will always sweep away the filth and dishonourable around it. Enjoy every minute of your time in the spotlight and frak the begrudgers. These people are not around here or amongst the 100,000 hits on the BBC website. You're much respected and revered Sir.
Thomas Walsh (Dublin, Ireland).
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Post by garyjordanbrum on Dec 15, 2011 2:09:22 GMT
John I am deeply saddened and angry that this has happened and the terrible news of the e mails you have been receiving. This is probably the 1st time something like this has happened certainly to my knowledge in the 30 years I have been searching for stuff, this now puts into doubt the excellent work the BFI have done for years on staging these events let alone anyone coming forward with other missing footage. There is not one single member of missing episodes BFI or Kal who would do such a thing this is down to a fan of DB who did this, we know the rules so please don't tar us all with the same brush. I urge anybody with a youtube account to hunt these clips down and comment in no uncertain terms, what the actions of this recording means to possible future events and recoveries. I only hope that the Bowie fans are damn well pleased with themselves and please remember John no-one here condones the actions of a person who has no respect for you your stunning work or us. Regards Gary.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2011 8:22:24 GMT
John Iam appaled to hear you have recieved this abuse.They are just idioits. We are all so appreciative of your hard work and having such amazing footage. That find is one of the best if not the best of all time of Top of the pops especially the quality and its in my opinion Bowie's best song.I am a huge glam rock fan and to me this is fantastic.You have as gary and many others said tons of respect from everyone on here and we all send best wishes to you and our full support.Thank you.
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Post by johnhenshall on Dec 15, 2011 9:24:50 GMT
Thank you all for your support and warm wishes. Don't for one second think that I am tarring you with the same brush: no way! It's just that, perhaps naïvely, I've discovered that not all Bowie fans are decent folk like you. I will learn.
One guy has actually suggested that his parents and others own the recording because they paid their tv licenses! But they don't understand that the BBC didn't want it any longer. That's why they scrapped it. Wiping was a positive action which had to be approved by the production department. I have checked that with a producer friend.
They even doubt that I got the recording legitimately, clearly not understanding that the VTR machines in those days were huge beasts which needed engineers to 'drive'. I couldn't just nip into VTR myself, get the master tape from the library without authority, put it on one machine, then put my tape (Note: MY tape, not license payers'!) on another machine, connect the two up, and dub it. That would have been impossible. Laughable, even.
As for who "owns" it, there is still barrack-room conjecture about this elsewhere. But I am not daft; I have taken advice. The copyright belongs to the BBC and David Bowie but there is no point in having copyright if you don't own the very thing which is copyrighted. They didn't want it. They trashed it. I own that tape and it's up to me whether I allow anyone – copyright holders included – to have it. I am NOT obliged to hand it over. I could even wipe MY tape if I wanted to. (Don't worry...)
I agreed to it being shown at the BFI event at the NFT so that genuine Bowie fans like you could appreciate it and on the express understanding that it would not be pirated. It was a wonderful occasion and I'm glad we did it. But it was pirated – by the very idiots who are now questioning my right to it!
Make no mistake, this is very embarrassing indeed for the BFI and calls into question future "Missing Believed Wiped" events if they cannot guarantee security. Some of these idiots think that, in these days of cameras on every phone, they have a divine right to pirate anything they want with impunity. That's exactly why the music business is in the state it's in today. These are not real fans and I don't want anything to do with them.
I am happy to report that some people on the other forum are decent and understanding and have stood up for me. I appreciate that. I have heard from the moderator and, wow, how I appreciate his problems. It sounds like a nightmare trying to control some people.
As for the illicit clip which is going around, it's not complete and it's wobbly and distant. Maybe it will be a good "trailer" for the real thing?
Let's move on. I'm another day older and a lot wiser.
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Post by Ray Langstone (was saintsray) on Dec 15, 2011 9:35:39 GMT
Thank you all for your support and warm wishes. Don't for one second think that I am tarring you with the same brush: no way! It's just that, perhaps naïvely, I've discovered that not all Bowie fans are decent folk like you. I will learn! One guy has actually suggested that his parents and others own the recording because they paid their tv licenses! But they don't understand that the BBC didn't want it any longer. That's why they scrapped it. Wiping was a positive action which had to be approved by the production department. I have checked that with a producer friend. They even doubt that I got the recording legitimately, clearly not understanding that the VTR machines in those days were huge beasts which needed engineers to 'drive'. I couldn't just nip into VTR myself, get the master tape from the library without authority, put it on one machine, then put my tape (Note: MY tape, not license payers'!) on another machine, connect the two up, and dub it. That would have been impossible. I am happy to report that some people on the other forum are decent and understanding and have stood up for me. I appreciate that. I have heard from the moderator and, wow, how I appreciate his problems. It sounds like a nightmare trying to control some people! As for the illicit clip which is going around, it's not complete and it's wobbly and distant. Maybe it will be a good "trailer" for the real thing? Let's move on. I'm another day older and a little bit wiser! Hi John, as you know, the vast majority of people on the Forum are decent people. I think that the knowledge and appreciation of your work has increased because of you preserving and sharing the footage you have. All power to you!
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Post by Paul Watkins on Dec 15, 2011 17:06:25 GMT
John There's not a lot more i can add than has been said by my fellow forum members here except that i find it most upsetting that you have been abused by people who have no regard for your feelings and about tapes that are your personal property.
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