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Post by gileshill on May 11, 2010 6:25:26 GMT
Spyders Web holdings have changed, ie neg or pos etc, but they all survive. The audit does still turn up and lose ATV stuff but the majority is now catalogued. c A negative would suggest ATV/ITC kept it, and a print would suggest it was an overseas return correct? I don't understand why they would only keep selected negatives because then they would have to rely on overseas returns to have any hope of selling the series again. But stuff like Sgt Cork and Power Game Series 3 are a right mixture of sources. Can you help explain please Chris?
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Post by cperry on May 11, 2010 6:31:00 GMT
Well ITC was a part owned American based operation so when Elstree closed/ATV closed a lot of the archive was shipped to LA because that was where ITC had its head office.
When ITC sold the archive to Polygram it began to gradually ship stuff back to the UK.
Anything deemed poor quality in technical terms or incomplete seems to have been disposed of by Polygram.
When Polygram sold the archive they did not sell all the rights but gave a lot away to UCLA as well.
The Filmbond vault at Denham stored lots of ATV/ITC stuff but was only a holding vault. It was closed late 1990s and any copyright holders who did not claim material saw it thrown away.
By the time the archive got to Perivale it had been moved at least four times, accidents, mis-filings and damage en route also cause losses. Miscataloguing means that some stuff still turns up, and some contents were shipped to ITV Leeds/remain at Rank/remain overseas still, so its a complicated situation lol.
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Post by gileshill on May 11, 2010 7:42:44 GMT
Well ITC was a part owned American based operation so when Elstree closed/ATV closed a lot of the archive was shipped to LA because that was where ITC had its head office. When ITC sold the archive to Polygram it began to gradually ship stuff back to the UK. Thanks Chris, that makes sense. Polygram were a terrible company. They evolved into Universal-UK. Will we ever know all the stuff that they disposed of, or is it just a case of finding out what is no longer available and then seeing when it was last used, like your obtaining VHS copies of those comedy pilots showing that they were around before Polygram did their damage? Is it just the UCLA master material they didn't sell to Carlton, like the Court Martial films mentioned in another post? Maybe because those particular series were American co-productions? And Polygram didn't bother to claim it? I know that Rank is now owned by the same company as ATV/ITC, but how did it get there before? I know Shaggy Dog was found there and so was part of The Other Man. Were they looking at them for possible movie-remakes? Or was it just a temporary film store when Carlton bought both companies? I don't suppose there's a chance of the other bits of The Other Man turning up some time?
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Post by Deleted on May 11, 2010 8:07:02 GMT
You're asking all the right questions, Giles! All these things we've wanted to know about for absolutely ages. The ongoing ATV archive situation is a complex and perplexing (not to mention depressing and disspiriting) one...
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Post by cperry on May 11, 2010 9:12:32 GMT
Shaggy Dog was found at the LWT vault in London. It was returned on 16mm from Malta.
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