|
|
Post by dave1turner on Apr 27, 2010 21:47:41 GMT
Hi Folks...have been out of touch for sometime, and i know this maby an old subject, but i would like to know the latest on the monkhouse archives....sorry to be a pest...
|
|
|
|
Post by cperry on Apr 28, 2010 8:01:54 GMT
|
|
|
|
Post by Simon Smith on May 3, 2010 14:47:57 GMT
Hi Folks...have been out of touch for sometime, and i know this maby an old subject, but i would like to know the latest on the monkhouse archives....sorry to be a pest... Someone on an earlier thread mentioned that there was nothing of "We Have Ways Of Making You Laugh", and that Bob mainly had his own stuff, but Christopher Perry is guarding the information about the Archive like a pit bull. |
|
|
|
Post by cperry on May 3, 2010 17:24:16 GMT
Simon... have we ever met?
Please withdraw your offensive remark comparing me to a pit bull.
Look at my post above - it's all in the book. You can buy a copy and it will tell you EVERYTHING of interest in Bob's archive.
Oh, hang on a second, I'll run down the labels of the 36000 tapes and type them into database for you right now, because a 200 page book listing all his interesting material is not enough for you lol.
Get real mate, everything of interest is in the book. Everything else is just routine off air recordings that aren't worth listing on paper.
Plus we have just completed our work on both a BBC4 and ITV1 documentaries about Bob, and we staged an event last year to showcase the finds.
I think you'll find that I've been a great deal more open about the Bob collection than any other archive mate :-)
xxx
|
|
|
|
Post by Simon Smith on May 4, 2010 6:25:14 GMT
Simon... have we ever met? Please withdraw your offensive remark comparing me to a pit bull. Look at my post above - it's all in the book. You can buy a copy and it will tell you EVERYTHING of interest in Bob's archive. Oh, hang on a second, I'll run down the labels of the 36000 tapes and type them into database for you right now, because a 200 page book listing all his interesting material is not enough for you lol. Get real mate, everything of interest is in the book. Everything else is just routine off air recordings that aren't worth listing on paper. Plus we have just completed our work on both a BBC4 and ITV1 documentaries about Bob, and we staged an event last year to showcase the finds. I think you'll find that I've been a great deal more open about the Bob collection than any other archive mate :-) xxx To Christopher Perry and everyone else... I apologise if my above remark offended you in any way. It was not meant as an insult. It was meant as a joke. I have read through past threads on this board as well as others, and the question as to the contents of the Monkhouse Archive seems to come up fairly often. Every time Mr Perry responds with "It's all in the book". This has often prompted more aggressive comments from people along the lines of "Well, just tell me this one thing..." But Mr Perry has not, presumably as telling one person one thing would then mean it would be alright to tell another person a second thing etc. So again, my remark was meant not as a knock against Mr Perry. If anything it was a knock against the kind of constant repetition of "Oh please Chris you can just tell ME this one thing can't you" If I upset anyone I am truly sorry. |
|
|
|
Post by cperry on May 4, 2010 8:35:52 GMT
Hi Simon
Thank you very much for your remarks, I appreciate you taking the time.
I try to come on here and pass on info that is often inaccessible to others but I am a Deputy Headteacher, do a million and one things for Kal, and have a personal life so I find time quite limited.
For instance yesterday I spent 8 hours typing in archive holdings that have changed in the 5 years since our last ITV Drama Guide. Some finds but also some losses as the ATV/ITC debacle continues and we find that Polygram have junked more material than we ever thought possible. If I came on here and tried to list all the changes I'd still be typing it tomorrow, hence it goes in the db and then appears on Lost Shows and will soon be in our first e-book - an updated ITV Drama Guide 1955-2010.
As a person and group Kal has always been committed to wider TV access and sharing information, which is why your comment hurt me.
We now store over 45 000 items including scripts, audios, photos and tapes, some of them masters, and we simply haven't the time to tell people what's on every tape which is why the books try to do the job for us.
Anyway, I hope I can buy you a drink at our June event. :-)
c
|
|
|
|
Post by ikmclachlan on May 4, 2010 9:26:28 GMT
Hi Christopher,
What you say about Polygram is really worrying. Are there any well known programmes/episodes which are now lost but which existed 5 years ago? Thanks.
|
|
|
|
Post by cperry on May 4, 2010 10:11:55 GMT
Once again Ian, like I said, too many to list in detail on here. The new ITV Drama Guide available in two weeks lists all the changes.
The revised Comedy Guide due Nov/Dec will also fill in the changes to what exists or not. Suffice to say, it's a disaster of the worst order for fans of old TV.
c
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on May 4, 2010 17:17:42 GMT
This sounds depressing, Chris. A few basic words on detail would be welcome here, even a few cursory items of the well-known variety.
|
|
|
|
Post by cperry on May 4, 2010 17:53:55 GMT
Hunter's Walk - all film gone, only few on video
Probation officer - only a third of old holdings now survive
Sound of Laughter - all gone
Call Oxbridge 2000 - only 1 now
Court Martial - only 1 now
the list goes on and would take hours to type in, and I've typed it all in the db once already lol
c
|
|
|
|
Post by Jeff Leach on May 4, 2010 22:18:00 GMT
|
|
|
|
Post by ikmclachlan on May 4, 2010 22:43:33 GMT
All this is a real shock. I thought that nothing old was junked these days. Is this still going on? With Virgin of the Secret Service and Spyder's Web both being ATV series I wonder if they still exist complete in the archives? I do hope so as I was looking forward to Network releasing them one day. However with Court Martial - the Bradford Dillman/Peter Graves series - being a co production with an American company is it not possible that some of these episodes are still surviving in America? Thanks.
|
|
|
|
Post by cperry on May 5, 2010 6:22:55 GMT
I think Polygram basically closed the Filmbond vault and closed one of the Los Angeles vaults. Some stuff like some Court Martial was given to UCLA but that means in practice its virtually impossible to access.
Sound of Laughter is the 1977 series, fortunately we have them on VHS, we bought copies some years beforehand.
c
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on May 5, 2010 7:55:51 GMT
All this is a real shock. I thought that nothing old was junked these days. Is this still going on? With Virgin of the Secret Service and Spyder's Web both being ATV series I wonder if they still exist complete in the archives? I do hope so as I was looking forward to Network releasing them one day. However with Court Martial - the Bradford Dillman/Peter Graves series - being a co production with an American company is it not possible that some of these episodes are still surviving in America? Thanks. Yes, my thoughts turned to things like Spyders Web too, Ian, as that's one i'd like to see again on DVD. But as it's conspicuously absent from the diverse range of Network product already out there and that it's existence has never been properly confirmed (and that it seemed such an obvious choice for release), it makes you wonder. Quite horrific that series like the ones Chris mentions were still being junked in the fairly recent past. I knew about Hunters Walk (as the lack of holdings were given in the '90s Kal guide) but there are quite a few other series that are now in question too including Virgin, Whodunnit, Love Story, Front Page Story, some single play strands and many more. Can you confirm the existence of any of these, Chris, to put our minds (slightly) at rest? The question now is: is this practice still going on within the ATV archive now that it has another owner? If so, how can we get it to stop? It's OUR culture that's being so casually destroyed. |
|
|
|
Post by davemachin on May 5, 2010 8:45:44 GMT
This is serious stuff. What did Polygram think they were doing? I have a Spyders Web episode on vhs that came out in the early nineties. I suppose this was before Polygram owned ATV though and so they may all have been existing at that time? Do they all still exist?
I wonder what other loved series Polygram discarded? By then home video was coming well into view so they clearly didnt know what they were doing. Can it be confirmed that the current owners are not still doing the same thing?
Dave
|
|
