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Post by Paul Rumbol on Jan 14, 2017 12:33:49 GMT
I'd really love to see some sort of deal brokered here but I don't hold out much hope after nine long years.
I told Ronnie back then there is a way forward from this impasse - and that suggestion still stands true today. As a few of his tapes contain 100% material that already exists and therefore has no commercial value, he should loan/sell one of those tapes to an individual of his own choosing in whom he trusts (jbouys would be a sound choice in my opinion).
Once the tape is passed on to Videoark all these unresolved questions would be answered in a matter of weeks. But Ronnie it's only you who can end the stalemate and make that opening gambit.
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Post by Ronnie Gerrard on Jan 14, 2017 17:10:06 GMT
I'd really love to see some sort of deal brokered here but I don't hold out much hope after nine long years. I told Ronnie back then there is a way forward from this impasse - and that suggestion still stands true today. As a few of his tapes contain 100% material that already exists and therefore has no commercial value, he should loan/sell one of those tapes to an individual of his own choosing in whom he trusts (jbouys would be a sound choice in my opinion). Once the tape is passed on to Videoark all these unresolved questions would be answered in a matter of weeks. But Ronnie it's only you who can end the stalemate and make that opening gambit. I fail to see what unresolved questions there are. I have played, viewed and catalogued all of the tapes and posted loads of screenshots and clips for all to see. I have already sent three tapes for verification – two to the BBC which were never returned and one to Kaleidoscope which was returned saying that their expert said it was blank (this particular tape plays excellent on my machine.I even posted a longish clip of this tape on this forum!!!). No matter what the outcome of me sending a fourth tape, it would not increase the value of the tapes to people on this forum as has already been proved, so no point whatsoever. Paul Vanezis has already said that the tapes have no real financial value and that I should sell my CV2000 and throw the tapes in for free. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2017 18:47:45 GMT
Ronnie said: Paul Vanezis has already said that the tapes have no real financial value and that I should sell my CV2000 and throw the tapes in for free.
That's sound advice, Ronnie. Why don't you take it?
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Post by Ronnie Gerrard on Jan 14, 2017 19:08:15 GMT
Ronnie said: Paul Vanezis has already said that the tapes have no real financial value and that I should sell my CV2000 and throw the tapes in for free. That's sound advice, Ronnie. Why don't you take it? Then Its a toss up between you and Dave Clark...oops you lost I am afraid |
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Post by richardwoods on Jan 14, 2017 20:44:55 GMT
I would say that, sadly we are all wasting our time here.
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Post by jbuoys on Jan 14, 2017 21:20:10 GMT
Ronnie said: Paul Vanezis has already said that the tapes have no real financial value and that I should sell my CV2000 and throw the tapes in for free. That's sound advice, Ronnie. Why don't you take it? Well, it looks like you've succeeded in pushing Ronnie into making sure no-one on here gets to see the tapes. For the record, I do not support your goading post, and I do not believe many on here would support you. All we have ever wished to do is to come to some sort of deal with Ronnie whereby these tapes could be made available for forum members to view. Sadly, I think your provocative post will ensure that never happens. |
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Post by Kev Hunter on Jan 14, 2017 23:01:34 GMT
I'm going to sound really dense here, but what's Dave Clark got to do with these tapes? He hasn't done a lot with the tapes he (supposedly) has.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2017 23:33:17 GMT
Ronnie said: Paul Vanezis has already said that the tapes have no real financial value and that I should sell my CV2000 and throw the tapes in for free. That's sound advice, Ronnie. Why don't you take it? Then Its a toss up between you and Dave Clark...oops you lost I am afraid I was never in the running. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2017 23:36:41 GMT
Ronnie said: Paul Vanezis has already said that the tapes have no real financial value and that I should sell my CV2000 and throw the tapes in for free. That's sound advice, Ronnie. Why don't you take it? Well, it looks like you've succeeded in pushing Ronnie into making sure no-one on here gets to see the tapes. For the record, I do not support your goading post, and I do not believe many on here would support you. All we have ever wished to do is to come to some sort of deal with Ronnie whereby these tapes could be made available for forum members to view. Sadly, I think your provocative post will ensure that never happens. I asked the question in sad bewilderment, no provocation intended. And I never suggested you supported anything I wrote, jbuoys, but, one calls it how one sees it and as a recently honoured Nobel Prize winner once wrote: You're right from your side & I'm right from mine. |
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Post by John Wall on Jan 14, 2017 23:40:45 GMT
There are actually two issues here, specific and general. The specific is one person who's got some old tapes containing interesting 405 line material. The general is that there are a lot of other old tapes containing interesting 495 line material.
What really matters is a method of properly capturing and transferring that material into a modern, digital format.
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Post by John Green on Jan 15, 2017 0:16:28 GMT
Well, it looks like you've succeeded in pushing Ronnie into making sure no-one on here gets to see the tapes. For the record, I do not support your goading post, and I do not believe many on here would support you. All we have ever wished to do is to come to some sort of deal with Ronnie whereby these tapes could be made available for forum members to view. Sadly, I think your provocative post will ensure that never happens. I asked the question in sad bewilderment, no provocation intended. And I never suggested you supported anything I wrote, jbuoys, but, one calls it how one sees it and as a recently honoured Nobel Prize winner once wrote: You're right from your side & I'm right from mine. Or even: Nothing was delivered And I tell this truth to you Not out of spite or anger But simply because it's true. I admit that I got bewildered a dozen posts back...Can the Ark people do anything? If not, what is the likelihood/timescale of some transfer method being developed? |
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Post by Peter Stirling on Jan 15, 2017 1:16:21 GMT
If the master tapes don't exist anymore then these 'Ronnie' tapes sure have value to the copyright holder as it's no good owning copyright without nothing to show for it.
I say good luck to Ronnie if he is holding out for a few quid from organizations who couldn't be bothered to store their materials properly in the first place.
I find it annoying that individuals are pestered and made to feel shame over what they decide to do with their own possessions, while large orgs. like You Tube are making a fortune out of unlicensed clips and good companies like Network go through hoops to get stuff released (that has not been seen for 40 years) only to find it plastered all over bit torrent sites and You Tube which obviously decreases their revenue stream to pursue other programmes.
Murdoch once said he could afford to give away 'The Times' for free - but that would devalue it and people would loose respect for it.
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Post by Sue Butcher on Jan 15, 2017 1:17:19 GMT
I really can't understand why anybody would think Ronnie's tapes are worthless. They're not broadcast quality, but so what? They are watchable. And there is no point Ronnie selling his tapes individually because they will only play back properly on his own machine. That's the nature of Sony CV2000 recordings.
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Post by Paul Vanezis on Jan 15, 2017 1:28:49 GMT
I really can't understand why anybody would think Ronnie's tapes are worthless. They're not broadcast quality, but so what? They are watchable. And there is no point Ronnie selling his tapes individually because they will only play back properly on his own machine. That's the nature of Sony CV2000 recordings. Kind of the point I was making. They certainly aren't worthless, but the value in them is not monetary. Sadly, no copyright holder is going to be banging on Ronnie's door and as for Dave Clark, well, he doesn't own the rights and even if he did, who in this 4K world would pay through the nose for poor quality black and white footage when there are alternatives? I do question why Ronnie came here in the first place. If it was for help to ID his tapes, fair enough. But if it was to effectively advertise his wares, well this isn't the place for that. Paul |
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Post by richardwoods on Jan 15, 2017 10:06:16 GMT
Out of all this the person I feel sorry for, if this material remains at best unavailable or at worst lost is Ayesha Brough.
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