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Post by Peter Elliott on Nov 26, 2008 15:19:33 GMT
In the case of The Foundations Baby Now That I've Found You, the BBC have an insert reel containing 4 or 5 takes of this song. Been mentioned here a couple of times over the years and from what I recall the lead singer was rather nervous necessitating several takes. Probably the earliest existing outtake footage from TOTP residing in the BBC archive.
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Post by Ray Langstone (was saintsray) on Nov 27, 2008 0:02:16 GMT
I have the Kraftwerk clip, sourced from 'Sounds of the Seventies' compilation. It states that it's from Tomorrow's World. That's where the narration comes from.
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Post by Steve Williams on Nov 28, 2008 15:58:41 GMT
According to the Database, Kraftwerk’s first ever appearance on TOTP was for The Model. DLT introduced a promo film of theirs on 14/01/82 (or promo video, depending on when videos replaced films). Their final entry for this song on 25/12/82 is listed as “Repeat Performance”, so whether they made a studio appearance or this is a misprint for a repeat of their promo film, who knows, but the Database is missing an entry for Tour de France. Of course, the 25/12/82 edition was repeated on BBC4 in January, and The Model is represented by a brief clip in the number ones montage of two robotic dancers. I don't know if this is Zoo or the "video". I also don't know if it's a repeat from its chart run, as in the same montage Zoo dance to I've Never Been To Me by Charlene, which has definitely been recorded for that edition as there's a "Christmas 82" sign in the background. The only other thing I can add is that the clip of the Rah Band with the DLT intro is definitely not from 7/7/77, as the whole episode of that's on YouTube and it's not introduced, it comes on straight after the chart. Which is brilliant, as I can imagine millions of viewers going "What the hell is this?"
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Post by Steve Williams on Nov 28, 2008 19:16:50 GMT
Did Kraftwerk also appear on the promo video(?) that the robotic dancers appeared on? I'm pretty sure it's not the video to The Model because I've seen that somewhere and it's on film and Kraftwerk are in it, whereas this performance is on video. So it would be Zoo, probably. The Charlene dance is a funny one because it's in the middle of the montage and only lasts about a minute, so I dunno why they bothered doing it. Interestingly while the two dancers do their routine, the rest of Zoo are sitting around watching.
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Post by Peter Elliott on Nov 28, 2008 20:06:38 GMT
I've got a vague memory of Kraftwerk's "The Model" on TOTP being represented by members of Zoo - or Legs and Co... can't remember when exactly Legs and Co finished their stint - in some silly outfits on some silly futuristic set. I've also seen a Kraftwerk video for it but don't recall seeing it on TOTP. Think it was a film featuring... erm... Models strutting their stuff with Ralf Hutter appearing on a TV screen miming to the vocals.
Only time I've ever seen Kraftwerk "in person" on the show was mid to late 90s when they did an "exclusive" that was also shown on TOTP2 with the 4 robots on the set... erm... doing their "thing", generally lifting their arms up and down to the music!
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Post by Steve Williams on Nov 30, 2008 16:47:40 GMT
Again, in line with the information to hand, and your description, the Kraftwerk song in question might very well be a promo video of The Robots from 30/05/91. The Kraftwerk studio performance mentioned there is for Expo 2000 and was on TOTP2 on 1st March 2000. It was actually recorded expressly for TOTP2, it was never shown on the weekly TOTP as it never charted. Of course, by this point a number of performances were recorded soley for use on TOTP2. That whole June 1982 episode with Kid Jensen is on YouTube. Great it is too. In the Kaleidoscope guide, it refers to A Little Peace by Nicole on Christmas Day 1982 - another one from that montage - being a repeat performance, although looking at it it blatantly isn't from Top of the Pops, and I'm certain it's her performance on the Eurovision Song Contest. Another performance from around that time that always seems to be incorrectly billed is Ooh La La La by Kool and The Gang, which has been screened on TOTP2 a number of times and is down as a Pops performance in the Kaleidoscope guide, but it's actually from The Late Late Breakfast Show. I dunno about that Bridie Song performance, but The Tweets themselves performed in costume on Pops. Including one of them playing a tuba, even though there's obviously no tuba on the record. Get it right!
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Post by Peter Elliott on Nov 30, 2008 17:37:19 GMT
The Kraftwerk studio performance mentioned there is for Expo 2000 and was on TOTP2 on 1st March 2000. It was actually recorded expressly for TOTP2, it was never shown on the weekly TOTP as it never charted. Of course, by this point a number of performances were recorded soley for use on TOTP2. Thanks for clearing that one up... easy to get a bit confuddled as the years go by and now you mention it, I do recall Steve Wright gushing on about it being an "exclusive". By then I was watching TOTP sporadically so merely assumed it appeared on the show at some point. Yes, TOTP2 did boast various exclusive clips over the years. The earliest one I recall was Plant and Page on a Welsh mountainside doing one of their numbers.
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Post by Peter Elliott on Dec 2, 2008 19:31:36 GMT
I’ve not seen the clip of Robert Plant and Jimmy Page on a Welsh mountainside, but I’ll look out for it in case it’s ever repeated. I saw quite a lot of TOTP 2, but by no means everything, and enjoyed the clips I saw. Looking forward to the Special editions next month... That Plant and Page clip was screened 2 or 3 times from what I recall during the early TOTP2 days when Johnnie Walker was the host. Certain I never saw it once Steve Wright took over. It obviously didn't pop up anywhere else and I think the song they did was "Gallows Pole" along with the rest of the band they used at the time... have a memory of the hurdy gurdy player being there! I do have it somewhere on videotape since I archived a few early TOTP2's but finding them and getting them to play again is another matter altogether!
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Post by David Saunders on Dec 2, 2008 22:29:05 GMT
I’ve not seen the clip of Robert Plant and Jimmy Page on a Welsh mountainside, but I’ll look out for it in case it’s ever repeated. I saw quite a lot of TOTP 2, but by no means everything, and enjoyed the clips I saw. Looking forward to the Special editions next month... That Plant and Page clip was screened 2 or 3 times from what I recall during the early TOTP2 days when Johnnie Walker was the host. Certain I never saw it once Steve Wright took over. It obviously didn't pop up anywhere else and I think the song they did was "Gallows Pole" along with the rest of the band they used at the time... have a memory of the hurdy gurdy player being there! I do have it somewhere on videotape since I archived a few early TOTP2's but finding them and getting them to play again is another matter altogether! uk.youtube.com/results?search_query=gallows+pole+plant+page&search_type=&aq=fI've found a few links to Gallows Pole, including one from Jools Holland's show. A very good performance.
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Post by peter w on Dec 14, 2008 12:55:15 GMT
David Bowie-The Jean Genie # 04/01/73 (Jimmy Savile): Performance - Insert Thats perculiar my first post went missing. I'll try again. Looking through your (amazing) listings David I spotted this one. Its the first I've heard that it may still exist, obviously I'm hoping that it does in some form or other so hoping you could mention what might lead you to believe the BBC still have it. Thanks, living in hope.
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Post by Mark Leech on Dec 14, 2008 20:21:05 GMT
I’ve not seen the clip of Robert Plant and Jimmy Page on a Welsh mountainside, but I’ll look out for it in case it’s ever repeated. I saw quite a lot of TOTP 2, but by no means everything, and enjoyed the clips I saw. Looking forward to the Special editions next month... That Plant and Page clip was screened 2 or 3 times from what I recall during the early TOTP2 days when Johnnie Walker was the host. Certain I never saw it once Steve Wright took over. It obviously didn't pop up anywhere else and I think the song they did was "Gallows Pole" along with the rest of the band they used at the time... have a memory of the hurdy gurdy player being there! I do have it somewhere on videotape since I archived a few early TOTP2's but finding them and getting them to play again is another matter altogether! Peter, On checking my TOTP2 lists, 'Gallows Pole' was on 3 separate editions in late 1994 - 12-11-94, 17-12-94 and 31-12-94. Regards Mark
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Post by Peter Elliott on Dec 14, 2008 20:28:33 GMT
Nice one Mark. Thanks for that. I do indeed recall seeing it a handful of times in a short period. If I recall rightly, wasn't the 31-12-94 edition the one they showed later on at night which featured a song or two from The Beatles late 1963 Liverpool Empire gig? I just remember being stunned to see that since I never knew it existed. A further performance was shown in the 50th edition.
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Post by peter w on Dec 14, 2008 22:52:07 GMT
I'm not sure where I originally obtained the information of The Jean Genie existing, but looking up further details online, I've discovered that it exists at least outside the BBC. As it looks as though the original source had mistakenly billed this performance as at the BBC, I've since switched it to "Outside the BBC 1970-1977" with another David Bowie song, which until today, I didn't know existed anywhere! - A Peter Noone Top of the Pops performance of Oh You Pretty Thing! Although it doesn't look very promising that The Jean Genie is at the BBC after all , it's good to know that it exists somewhere and likewise to this performance, which I thought was gone for good: Peter Noone with David Bowie-Oh You Pretty Thing David plays piano to Peter 27/05/71 (Tony Blackburn): Performance - Insert David Bowie-The Jean Genie 04/01/73 (Jimmy Savile): Performance - Insert www.illustrated-db-discography.nl/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1960&sid=15344ba8b59fd7282a1fcdfcf365814b – 27/05/71 and 04/01/73 Thanks for getting back to me David. It exists as audio and considering it was performed at least partially live its better than nothing. You're right about it being 4/01/73, hope the filmed performance turns up one day. The Peter Noone is a find. Thanks again, great lists for looking through. Good to read that Roxys Pyjamarama may exist as a telerecording.
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Post by Steve Williams on Dec 15, 2008 20:23:18 GMT
Nice one Mark. Thanks for that. I do indeed recall seeing it a handful of times in a short period. If I recall rightly, wasn't the 31-12-94 edition the one they showed later on at night which featured a song or two from The Beatles late 1963 Liverpool Empire gig? I just remember being stunned to see that since I never knew it existed. A further performance was shown in the 50th edition. That was 31/12/95, the Britpop special, which went out at 11.30pm. 31/12/94 was a review of the year shown in the usual teatime slot. In the early days of TOTP2 it was more of a miscellaney and here they showed notable videos from the year, including the one for the German band, H-Blockxx, with them as ants in a kitchen, which they seemed to show on every episode early on.
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Post by Peter Elliott on Dec 15, 2008 20:38:56 GMT
That was 31/12/95, the Britpop special, which went out at 11.30pm. 31/12/94 was a review of the year shown in the usual teatime slot. In the early days of TOTP2 it was more of a miscellaney and here they showed notable videos from the year, including the one for the German band, H-Blockxx, with them as ants in a kitchen, which they seemed to show on every episode early on. Thanks for that Steve... knew it was a New Years Eve show but wrong by a year! Yes... the Britpop special... what surprised me was seeing The Small Faces "Beat Club" performance of "Itchycoo Park". I think the Musikladen clip of Ike and Tina Turner doing "Nutbush City Limits" was in show 50, which beggars the question, why oh why didn't TOTP2 utilise overseas footage more often instead of giving us Sonny and Cher, The Supremes and Bowies' "Starman" numerous times?
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