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Post by peter w on Dec 16, 2008 18:57:39 GMT
In that vid they're from OGWT and Virginia Plain on TOTPs I'm afraid. I'm always positive, I do believe people, management teams, record companies, stars and media institutions don't even realise what they may have. Something like 'Missing Believed Wiped' but focussed on music performances might be a decent success in drawing some peoples attention to whats missing and what they may have tucked away. Thing is though the amount of TOTPs missing is so shameful I doubt the BBC would want to draw the attention of the public at large to it.
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Post by David Saunders on Dec 16, 2008 23:47:42 GMT
In that vid they're from OGWT and Virginia Plain on TOTPs I'm afraid. I'm always positive, I do believe people, management teams, record companies, stars and media institutions don't even realise what they may have. Something like 'Missing Believed Wiped' but focussed on music performances might be a decent success in drawing some peoples attention to whats missing and what they may have tucked away. Thing is though the amount of TOTPs missing is so shameful I doubt the BBC would want to draw the attention of the public at large to it. It's useful to know that the stills of Pyjamarama and Virginia Plain are from OWTG and Top of the Pops. It's just that it's an added bonus when recordings turn out to be from Top of the Pops, especially as so much has been junked, although there's a lot around that has never been supplied to the BBC. Nevertheless, whilst not at the BBC, it's good to know that quite a lot exists somewhere, a fair amount uploaded to Youtube, which helps confirm if the recordings are from Top of the Pops or other shows (except when the owners upload a performance stating it's from Top of the Pops when it's from a different programme. In those cases, I've unavoidably got caught out, as I can only go by the description). I've listed a certain amount of questions, most notably "Top of the Pops?", as while the recordings appear to be from that show, I've not been able to get confirmation. Another difficulty that's arisen is that several tracks appeared more than once and trying to narrow down to the exact date is very difficult, eg recordings listed as "Disc" but not stating the dance groups, and Simon and Garfunkel's Bridge over Troubled Water, but to compensate, I've put the full list of dates relating to what I've viewed and made amendments where later known and added in new information, like updates on David Bowie and the Electric Light Orchestra. I don't know how much more is out there from Top of the Pops that I haven't seen or read about. I imagine there's more existing somewhere, but I am very impressed by what I've seen and read about, which just goes to show how much is actually out there!
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Post by peter w on Dec 17, 2008 21:40:01 GMT
It's useful to know that the stills of Pyjamarama and Virginia Plain are from OWTG and Top of the Pops. It's just that it's an added bonus when recordings turn out to be from Top of the Pops, especially as so much has been junked, although there's a lot around that has never been supplied to the BBC. Nevertheless, whilst not at the BBC, it's good to know that quite a lot exists somewhere, a fair amount uploaded to Youtube, which helps confirm if the recordings are from Top of the Pops or other shows (except when the owners upload a performance stating it's from Top of the Pops when it's from a different programme. In those cases, I've unavoidably got caught out, as I can only go by the description). I've listed a certain amount of questions, most notably "Top of the Pops?", as while the recordings appear to be from that show, I've not been able to get confirmation. Another difficulty that's arisen is that several tracks appeared more than once and trying to narrow down to the exact date is very difficult, eg recordings listed as "Disc" but not stating the dance groups, and Simon and Garfunkel's Bridge over Troubled Water, but to compensate, I've put the full list of dates relating to what I've viewed and made amendments where later known and added in new information, like updates on David Bowie and the Electric Light Orchestra. I don't know how much more is out there from Top of the Pops that I haven't seen or read about. I imagine there's more existing somewhere, but I am very impressed by what I've seen and read about, which just goes to show how much is actually out there! hi David, sorry I wasn't very specific, the stills in that vid are In Every Dreamhome A Heartache from OGWT and Virginia Plain from TOTPs, no Pyjamarama Talking about stills, it was the TOTPs Jean Genie still with the BBC mic that made people go "hang about!", seemed it had been officially forgotten/overlooked for some time that he'd actually performed it on it. I'm sure theres plenty of photographers who took pix at TOTPs, but again, perhaps they're not aware they've photos of missing shows on their old reels...if they remember they took them at all? As for missing footage, ever seen Mick Rocks never released 73 promo for Rock n Roll Suicide? Plenty of tantalising clips in that from footage and shows we've never seen. uk.youtube.com/watch?v=SUCBxRnnxHIIts the kind of thing that makes me believe theres still plenty out there, owned by the artists and their collaboraters themselves. Bootlegs for those in higher circles if you will. Youtubes the archive of the world isn't it, brilliant!
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Post by David Saunders on Dec 22, 2008 9:44:42 GMT
hi David, sorry I wasn't very specific, the stills in that vid are In Every Dreamhome A Heartache from OGWT and Virginia Plain from TOTPs, no Pyjamarama Talking about stills, it was the TOTPs Jean Genie still with the BBC mic that made people go "hang about!", seemed it had been officially forgotten/overlooked for some time that he'd actually performed it on it. I'm sure theres plenty of photographers who took pix at TOTPs, but again, perhaps they're not aware they've photos of missing shows on their old reels...if they remember they took them at all? As for missing footage, ever seen Mick Rocks never released 73 promo for Rock n Roll Suicide? Plenty of tantalising clips in that from footage and shows we've never seen. uk.youtube.com/watch?v=SUCBxRnnxHIIts the kind of thing that makes me believe theres still plenty out there, owned by the artists and their collaboraters themselves. Bootlegs for those in higher circles if you will. Youtubes the archive of the world isn't it, brilliant! Sorry, Peter, I'd somehow missed your reply before now and shall reply now. No worries that you weren't very specific before. The new information is useful to know. My music knowledge is quite good, but even then, you and others have revealed information that I never even knew about before!, which can only be a good thing, which adds to my knowledge and that of other members who also didn't know the information previously. It looks as though Pyjamarama has been used as a backing track for Youtube viewers, and doesn't match with the stills in question but a great track that I hadn't heard in sometime before coming across it on Youtube earlier this month. That's true about a Top of the Pops performance photographers, like owners with moving footage and sound only recordings of television and radio shows, many people probably don't know they have rarities in their collections. Somewhere on the web (unless it's since been removed) is a photo of John Lewis under the pseudonym Terry Dactyl and the Dinosaurs performing Seaside Shuffle on a 1972 Top of the Pops. Sadly the photo is all that's left of the performance, unless someone has a private recording somewhere that none of us know about. It would be good if this song resurfaced to compliment John's existing recordings under the name of Jona Lewie. I'd never seen Mick Rock's never released 1973 promo before and see what you mean about the diversity in the David Bowie song! Although I've read a lot and personally located a number of TOTP recordings outside the BBC (as well as ones existing at the BBC) on Youtube, I never realized until this year just how many editions, inserts and title sequences were around, of which hopefully many will be returned or copied (if the owners wish to retain their originals) to the BBC, which would be perfect for increasing the range of songs/instrumentals available to the BBC for TOTP 2 and other archive programmes, and since joining this forum, I've learnt of a few more recordings from both TOTP and other shows from you and other members, which is very useful to learn. It's not always easy to determine which programmes some performances come from, but many of our questions have been answered, and while it's very sad how much TOTP no longer exists, it's good to know that many performances exist on other shows from the UK and overseas, most notably Germany, whose broadcasters have kept most of their archive. I agree that there are probably many people out there in the entertainment business or behind the scenes who work with people in the public eye who have recordings that officially are missing which they don't know are missing. Bootlegs also fill in the gaps for performances that would otherwise be lost forever. Youtube is brilliant for music and interviews, both programmes that exist at and outside the BBC and indeed ITV and numerous other television stations, as well as promo films and videos, including one for Shocking Blue-Venus: uk.youtube.com/watch?v=U2DBcbZc3ck&NR=1Also, does anyone know the exact transmission date that CCS-Whole Lotta Love took over from the above signature tune? I would guess it would have been one of the late October/early November editions, as after 08/10, it appeared on 29/10, 05/11 and 26/11/70, the latter a studio performance, then Alexis Korner and Peter Thorup performed an alternative version on the 31/12/70 (Jimmy Savile) edition.
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Post by lee jones on Dec 27, 2008 16:03:29 GMT
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Post by Stephen Doran on Dec 27, 2008 16:17:29 GMT
Aug 70 The Witch was it out then?thought it was a bit later ? ???Neil will know hes the expert.
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Post by Neil Barker on Dec 27, 2008 17:17:25 GMT
Wouldn't say I was an expert but "The Witch" was definitely on the 15/10/70 edition. Not sure why it was on so early to begin with.
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Post by Stephen Doran on Dec 28, 2008 9:22:06 GMT
Thanks Neil i see it entered the charts in October ;perhaps the BBC got hold of a promo copy to play out with?
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Post by Bob Savage (robstar) on Dec 28, 2008 13:35:36 GMT
I see looking at TOTPGOLD 2 episodes with end credits " Aretha Franklin" and "smokey robinson" films were directed by Tom Taylor, he also shot a Beach Boys film for TOTP inclusion "Friends" for possible use in the Dec 26th 1968 show according to Keith Badman's Beach Boys book this was never used. I wonder does this still exist and does Tom Taylor still hold copies of these films - has anyone contacted him?
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Post by Stephen Doran on Dec 29, 2008 11:57:21 GMT
Friends was a top 30 hit in early 1968 im sure!
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Post by Paul Dorf on Dec 30, 2008 3:51:31 GMT
tom taylor & caravel films produced dozens of videos for totp early 70s which are listed in the archive incl the doors, cher, elvis, lobo, melanie etc but excl any beach boys. any more info on them would be great.
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Post by Bob Savage (robstar) on Dec 30, 2008 12:32:15 GMT
Is there any further info on caravel films?
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Post by David Saunders on Jan 2, 2009 23:15:23 GMT
Wouldn't say I was an expert but "The Witch" was definitely on the 15/10/70 edition. Not sure why it was on so early to begin with. That puzzles me, too. The Witch is one of those few examples where the releases have been broadcast in advance of them charting, as The Guinness Book of British Hit Singles lists this as first charting on 03/10/70. Fingers crossed that the 13/08/70 recording (whether or not the same, as sources differ as to whether this is the same as 15/10/70) is broadcast one day, which would help clarify the mystery about whether both dates are the same performance or not and the 29/10/70 promo film surfaces one day, which would compliment the 05/11/70 recording that exists outside the BBC of the crowd dancing to a record of the song.
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Post by David Saunders on Jan 2, 2009 23:18:04 GMT
Thanks Neil i see it entered the charts in October ;perhaps the BBC got hold of a promo copy to play out with? The live version of The Witch over the closing credits must be a redub, as more than likely, Top of the Pops will have broadcast the original versions of songs except when bands performed their songs live, like The Rattles did on definitely 15/10/70. I say definitely, as it's subjective as to whether this is a repeat of 13/08/70, due to the BBC database not stating "Repeat" in the existing edition. Both exist at the BBC, the earliest an insert. The version of The Witch playing over the closing credits stems from 05/11/70, but most likely to the sound of the slightly off key 7" record that I've heard on one link from Top of the Pops. Friends was a top 30 hit in early 1968 im sure! Friends just made the Top 30 at number 25 but never appeared on Top of the Pops, unless data is missing, as obscurities like The Alan Bown Set which never charted appeared on the show.
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Post by Alan Turrell on Jan 4, 2009 19:13:32 GMT
david you say the union gap promo of young girl doesn't exist but where does the promo come from thats on you tube and has also been shown on totp2 any ideas?
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