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Post by Ron Mallett on Jan 17, 2006 18:41:27 GMT
Hi all. Just a question about the recovery of the first episode of The Invasion of the Dinosaurs. All I have been able to find out is that it was returned to the BBC by a "Film Collector". What interests me is that I've read the story was never officially telerecorded?! Where did it come from then? Does this mean that it is possible that other material (like say, dare I say it The Feast of Steven which was never supposed to be telerecorded) may have been saved in this way?
Does anyone know anymore about how the episode was returned, by whom and how the 16mm copy came to be made in the first place?
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Post by Robbie Moubert on Jan 17, 2006 19:51:27 GMT
Richard Bignell posted about this recently on the RT forum. While it was thought for a long time that no telerecordings were made of season 11, it is now known that both The Time Warrior and Invasion of the Dinosaurs were telerecorded. In fact, it turns out that Invasion part 1 was done twice. At some point the existing print came into the possession of a fan called Roger Stevens. Roger ultimately gave it to Ian Levine to return to the Beeb.
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Post by Todd on Jan 17, 2006 20:40:54 GMT
Richard Bignell posted about this recently on the RT forum. While it was thought for a long time that no telerecordings were made of season 11, it is now known that both The Time Warrior and Invasion of the Dinosaurs were telerecorded. In fact, it turns out that Invasion part 1 was done twice. At some point the existing print came into the possession of a fan called Roger Stevens. Roger ultimately gave it to Ian Levine to return to the Beeb. Ian only loaned the print to the BBC - so they have a copy of the print... The original is still in private hands...
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Post by Ron Mallett on Jan 17, 2006 21:23:33 GMT
Thanks for that Robbie (and Todd) Just a couple of questions: does anyone know or have any suspicions as to how a print came to be in the possession of a fan (persumably it must have some from the BBC orginally either taken or rescued from a bin or whatever) and also, what is the RT forum?
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Post by Paul W on Jan 17, 2006 22:43:22 GMT
I seem to remember reading in the DWM archive for this story, at least ten years ago, that the chap picked it up for about eleven quid, although not sure where he came by it. That would be the Restoration Team who do all the work for the DVDs - www.restoration-team.co.uk.
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Post by williamM on Jan 18, 2006 16:57:22 GMT
Richard Bignell posted about this recently on the RT forum. While it was thought for a long time that no telerecordings were made of season 11, it is now known that both The Time Warrior and Invasion of the Dinosaurs were telerecorded. In fact, it turns out that Invasion part 1 was done twice. At some point the existing print came into the possession of a fan called Roger Stevens. Roger ultimately gave it to Ian Levine to return to the Beeb. officialy TR'd?
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Post by Richard Bignell on Jan 18, 2006 17:34:08 GMT
Yes. The information is all logged in the records at the BBC Archive. Richard
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Post by williamM on Jan 18, 2006 19:29:40 GMT
is the other copy of ep 1 clearer does anyone know?
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Post by Todd on Jan 18, 2006 19:32:35 GMT
is the other copy of ep 1 clearer does anyone know? What "other copy" would that be?
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Post by Jon Preddle on Jan 18, 2006 20:00:05 GMT
Richard Bignell posted about this recently on the RT forum. While it was thought for a long time that no telerecordings were made of season 11, it is now known that both The Time Warrior and Invasion of the Dinosaurs were telerecorded. . "Recently..." ? "Now known" ? Er, that's been common knowledge for a number of years! I've known that since the mid-1990s at least. This fact was published in the Australian newsletter Data Extract when they revealed all the censor cuts. The Time Warrior was listed as being sent to the censor on 30/7/74, and the length in feet for each of the four 16mm films was also recorded. The remaining season 11 stories (bar Dinosaurs) didn't have feet recorded since these three stories were supplied on VT. Jon Preddle
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Post by Ron Mallett on Jan 19, 2006 13:36:20 GMT
Seems as though we are lucky to be able to see this episode. This last run of repeats in Australia which is finishing soon was the first time I've seen it. When it was being repeated here in the 80's (the last time I think was in 84 or 85?) the story started from Episode 2 which I thought was odd. I didn't know about the junkings at the time.
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Post by williamM on Jan 19, 2006 14:37:50 GMT
Richard Bignell posted about this recently on the RT forum. While it was thought for a long time that no telerecordings were made of season 11, it is now known that both The Time Warrior and Invasion of the Dinosaurs were telerecorded. In fact, it turns out that Invasion part 1 was done twice. At some point the existing print came into the possession of a fan called Roger Stevens. Roger ultimately gave it to Ian Levine to return to the Beeb. this copy, since the surviving one is not good quality it's likely that the it was the first, so A better question would be has anyone seen a copy of invasion pt one that is of different quality to the more common one.
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Post by Richard Bignell on Jan 19, 2006 15:36:26 GMT
this copy, since the surviving one is not good quality. There is nothing wrong with the quality of of the surviving telerecording of Episode 1. It's a perfectly decent 16mm film print. Richard
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Post by williamM on Jan 19, 2006 17:10:40 GMT
I seem to remember reading that it's slightly blurred down one side(or perhaps I getting it confused with another)
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Post by Todd on Jan 19, 2006 18:34:41 GMT
Richard Bignell posted about this recently on the RT forum. While it was thought for a long time that no telerecordings were made of season 11, it is now known that both The Time Warrior and Invasion of the Dinosaurs were telerecorded. In fact, it turns out that Invasion part 1 was done twice. At some point the existing print came into the possession of a fan called Roger Stevens. Roger ultimately gave it to Ian Levine to return to the Beeb. this copy, since the surviving one is not good quality it's likely that the it was the first, so A better question would be has anyone seen a copy of invasion pt one that is of different quality to the more common one. As far as I know, this IS the only surviving original copy. There isn't another one. The copy at the BBC is a dupe of this print. I presume that when the RT goes to do the DVD version of Invasion of the Dinosaurs, they will borrow the print again and do a spirit transfer.
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