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Post by LanceM on Jan 12, 2006 19:21:13 GMT
Hello All,
I have been quite busy with work and such lately, and boy am I glad that the Holiday season is over and done with ( I did get the new Travels In Time and Space set for Christmas, William Russell does a fantastic job at narrating these stories). So, anyway 2006 has begun, as well as the new series. I was remembering fans saying last year that we need to be checking foreign television station archives for missing stories. However, all of these stations want some sort of enticement ( $$ ) to go searching through their archives for 30-40 year old telerecordings. If an episode was returned the BBC would make bank on the sales of the episode, as we have all proven here. Maybe they could offer some sort of small compensation in the sale of the episode to the nation or media company which supplies the episode? Just a thought, which has been discussed before, but never seems to go anywhere. Are Ian Levine and Paul Vanezis still searching? How is Jon Preddle progressing in his search of the documentation of the New Zealand Broadcasting Corporation ? I was also wondering if anyone could direct me to a list of Doctor Who sales to foreign nations? And what became of the 16mm holdings of TV Singapura? There seem to be no references or articles on this subject anywhere on the net. What if the BBC paid David Tenant and Billie Piper to have a small television spot outlining the search for missing who ? A long shot, but might yield some results, due to the high ratings and viewers for the Christmas Special. How was that by the way, still can't see it here in the states yet. From the screen grabs on Outpost Gallifrey and the BBC site, it sure looked cool. Well, if anyone can answer any of my questions or have a few of their own that they would like to post feel free to do so ( NO rude or derogatory comments between users if you please, THANKS).
Lance.
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Post by Richard D on Jan 13, 2006 18:03:13 GMT
I've thought about this too. How's about asking Russell T Davies to help, he has been a Dr Who fan since the 60's, I'm sure he would like to see some missing episodes turn up
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Post by ethantyler on Jan 14, 2006 1:33:39 GMT
Now does seem to be the right time for a little official assistance in the missing episode hunt, whilst Doctor Who's popularity as at its peak. I don't have any ideas in particular, but just a minute or so in Doctor Who Confidential or something to that effect. No major projest or anything like that, just a little casual effort or an incentive ("Find a missing episode and get to appear in an episode").  |
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Post by Ron Mallett on Jan 20, 2006 13:22:42 GMT
I wonder if I should mention as there are enough rumours floating around but recently (I live in Launceston, Tasmania, Australia) I was talking to someone in a local bookshop and the subject of Doctor Who cropped up as my son and I were buying Who books. She was a fan and had attended some of the meetings of the fan club on the west coast - apparently they'd have quiz nights and play around with an actual Dalek unit! There she met an old guy who used to work at the ABC (I'm not sur eif it was here or on the mainland). He apparently bragged about having a collection of rare who films. My heart jumped up into my throat with visions of The Dalek Masterplan reels being discovered at last!!! Very soon after I took in a full list of missing episodes as the shop is Ezy to find, and asked the woman to pass them on to him. The second time we spoke she was very funny about it and although I didn't ask, she was careful to never give me his name.
I suppose it could have been a case of "I know someone who..." therefore I'm better than you, but I wonder if there was a grain of truth in it. A lot of the advice I have read lately has advised people not to harrass former employees of TV stations, but I simply mentioned in the letter that the BBC only wanted to borrow the reels, there was an amnesty etc. So I was just being fairly light about it and I think I also mentioned that certain other stuff was missing (including Q and Dad's Army etc).
I just wonder if I should follow it up more. I suppose if he was known to the Who Community in Devonport then he would know about the junkings? Anyway I suppose the best idea is to remain vigilent. Still there's only so much one can do... you can't demand information from people can you?!
Be nice if there was some truth to it.
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Post by Scott J on Jan 20, 2006 14:54:51 GMT
I wonder if I should mention as there are enough rumours floating around but recently (I live in Launceston, Tasmania, Australia) I was talking to someone in a local bookshop and the subject of Doctor Who cropped up as my son and I were buying Who books. She was a fan and had attended some of the meetings of the fan club on the west coast - apparently they'd have quiz nights and play around with an actual Dalek unit! There she met an old guy who used to work at the ABC (I'm not sur eif it was here or on the mainland). He apparently bragged about having a collection of rare who films. My heart jumped up into my throat with visions of The Dalek Masterplan reels being discovered at last!!! Very soon after I took in a full list of missing episodes as the shop is Ezy to find, and asked the woman to pass them on to him. The second time we spoke she was very funny about it and although I didn't ask, she was careful to never give me his name. I suppose it could have been a case of "I know someone who..." therefore I'm better than you, but I wonder if there was a grain of truth in it. A lot of the advice I have read lately has advised people not to harrass former employees of TV stations, but I simply mentioned in the letter that the BBC only wanted to borrow the reels, there was an amnesty etc. So I was just being fairly light about it and I think I also mentioned that certain other stuff was missing (including Q and Dad's Army etc). I just wonder if I should follow it up more. I suppose if he was known to the Who Community in Devonport then he would know about the junkings? Anyway I suppose the best idea is to remain vigilent. Still there's only so much one can do... you can't demand information from people can you?! Be nice if there was some truth to it. Why don't you look further into it? If you believe the women then whats to lose, its very possible he could have something. If she don't tell you willingly then bribe her, its the only way!  |
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Post by LanceM on Jan 20, 2006 18:06:57 GMT
I would contact that store and see if that guy has been back to any more quiz nights. If, so then find out when the next one is and go meet this guy and see if there is anything to be found. Just a thought.
Lance.
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Post by Gareth R on Jan 22, 2006 13:02:14 GMT
Perhaps the reason why she didn't give you his name is that he doesn't actually exist and she's just having some fun with you? If she's enough of a fan to go to quiz nights it means she probably knows about missing episodes, after all...
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Post by Jon Preddle on Jan 22, 2006 19:55:53 GMT
Hello All, How is Jon Preddle progressing in his search of the documentation of the New Zealand Broadcasting Corporation ? Well, recently I found more censor records going up to 1981. My findings wil be published in the next issue of TSV (www.doctorwho.org.nz) I was also wondering if anyone could direct me to a list of Doctor Who sales to foreign nations? Lance. A full listing of known foreign sales of missing stories can be found on the Restoration Team web site. Jon |
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Post by ronmallett on Jan 23, 2006 13:48:15 GMT
Perhaps the reason why she didn't give you his name is that he doesn't actually exist and she's just having some fun with you? If she's enough of a fan to go to quiz nights it means she probably knows about missing episodes, after all... Gareth, You may be right but my feeling was that she had met someone who was quite a bot older and had worked for the ABC. I got the feeling the Who Club was more of a social thing for her and when I brought my list of missing episodes in for her to pass on she seemed quite surprised at how many there were. All in all a bit of an akward situation as I don't like to press people - I think you can do more damage than good. Is it true by the way that The Dalek Masterplan episodes were only telerecorded once and those prints were sent to Australia and rejected? If so, the prints discovered in a church would have to be part of this set meaning that the episodes were returned at some time. I was just reading some information on Doctor Who at this site www.xmission.com/~spectral/pythl/plpmis/and that was what was suggested. There was obviously still a spare telerecorded reel of Episode 2 lying around for Francis Watson to discover as well. Can anyone clear this up and perhaps let me know if there is a site listing the "official" telerecordings of Doctor Who episodes? |
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Post by Scott J on Jan 23, 2006 15:24:09 GMT
Perhaps the reason why she didn't give you his name is that he doesn't actually exist and she's just having some fun with you? If she's enough of a fan to go to quiz nights it means she probably knows about missing episodes, after all... Gareth, You may be right but my feeling was that she had met someone who was quite a bot older and had worked for the ABC. I got the feeling the Who Club was more of a social thing for her and when I brought my list of missing episodes in for her to pass on she seemed quite surprised at how many there were. All in all a bit of an akward situation as I don't like to press people - I think you can do more damage than good. Is it true by the way that The Dalek Masterplan episodes were only telerecorded once and those prints were sent to Australia and rejected? If so, the prints discovered in a church would have to be part of this set meaning that the episodes were returned at some time. I was just reading some information on Doctor Who at this site www.xmission.com/~spectral/pythl/plpmis/and that was what was suggested. There was obviously still a spare telerecorded reel of Episode 2 lying around for Francis Watson to discover as well. Can anyone clear this up and perhaps let me know if there is a site listing the "official" telerecordings of Doctor Who episodes? Well. no one knows for sure, but Masterplan, minus episode 7 was only officially telerecorded once and according to Ian Levine he believes the prints that currently exist did not come from Australia, so another set must have been made. But as I said, no-one knows for definate! |
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Post by williamM on Jan 23, 2006 16:18:19 GMT
do we have any idea as to how many(if any) illegal copies were made of this or any other story by BBC staff before the tapes were wiped?
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Post by James Phillips on Jan 24, 2006 11:14:15 GMT
do we have any idea as to how many(if any) illegal copies were made of this or any other story by BBC staff before the tapes were wiped? Well, strangely, I don't think that information is held at Caversham...  |
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Post by ronmallett on Jan 24, 2006 11:24:36 GMT
Well. no one knows for sure, but Masterplan, minus episode 7 was only officially telerecorded once and according to Ian Levine he believes the prints that currently exist did not come from Australia, so another set must have been made. But as I said, no-one knows for definate! Thanks Scott. If anyone would know if they were the Australian prints I suppose it's Ian Levine. It raises all sorts of possibilities doesn't it! |
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Post by LanceM on Jan 24, 2006 15:29:08 GMT
Hello Again,
I recently contacted the Association of Canadian Archivists about the plight of the missing episodes in Canada, and the search that is currently underway to locate missing material. Here is part of the response they sent me:
I have checked a number of the titles, and other keywords, against our Film, Video and Sound database as well as checking our paper finding aids relating to films and the Canadian Broadcasting Corporation, but have been unable to locate these films. However, as you mentioned, these are missing episodes and may be held in film cans as of yet undescribed in our databases.
They invited me to visit thier archives to see if I can locate any relevant material.
Lance.
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Post by Darren Menzie on Jan 24, 2006 23:33:39 GMT
Are you going to accept their invitation?
How cool would that be! I'd love to have a look through uncatalogued material. You never know what may turn up.
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