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Post by Brad Phipps on Oct 4, 2005 23:04:30 GMT
Enterprises arranged for telerecording negatives to be made systematically of all episodes (barring The Feast of Steven) with a few days of them airing in the UK. The neagives would then be staored in their vault and prints would then be run off as and when necessary. As Grumbledook says, copies of Episodes 1-6 & 8-12 of The Daleks' Master Plan were sent to Australia for their evaluation, but they decided not to to broadcast it. Richard Why did they choose not to screen it, was it too violent or too long? Too funny. The episode was designed as a lite-hearted interlude to the main story (if it hadn't fallen on Xmas Day it would probably have been a normal episode) and mainly written for British audiences. Thus the BBC felt it wasn't necessary to attempt to sell it overseas. |
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Post by Jon Preddle on Oct 4, 2005 23:17:56 GMT
Copies were probably made in case of potential sales. I think a copy was sent to Australia for evaluation. As with the majority of the BBC's output at the time, a telerecording negative was sent to BBC Sydney, where they then sold positive copies to those countries that wanted to buy (eg Australia, New Zealand, Hong Kong, Singapore, etc) The ABC got a positive copy, and sent it to the censors, who rejected it. The prints were presumably sent back to BBC Sydney. As to happened to the positive and negative films is currently unknown. Jon Preddle |
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Post by Jon Preddle on Oct 4, 2005 23:23:47 GMT
This is why 'Masterplan' was only offered as an 11-part story, even though no country ever purchased it. Regards, Richard So why were Telerecordings made of Masterplan if no country ever bought it? As telerecordings were expensive weren't they only done if a country had agreed to purchase them?[/quote] See my answer to other posting. A film negative was made and sent to BBC Sydney who handled sales to countries in Australasia. Jon Preddle |
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Post by Jon preddle on Oct 4, 2005 23:30:00 GMT
Why did they choose not to screen it, was it too violent or too long? The subject matter and themes were deemed to be "unsuitable" for the timeslots. Jon |
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Post by Brad Phipps on Oct 5, 2005 0:11:10 GMT
Whoops, I just realised why my above post sounded weird...
Can someone answer me this though: the three Master Plan prints that have been recovered so far (stressing the 'so far' bit), where did they come from? Is there any evidence to suggest they came from Australia? Or another BBC print?
DMP2 came from the BBC, but we know that the film can was spotted years earlier at a university. Does that can still exist? If so does anyone have a scan of the label...?
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Post by ethantyler on Oct 5, 2005 2:40:21 GMT
Can someone answer me this though: the three Master Plan prints that have been recovered so far (stressing the 'so far' bit)... I like your positive attitude! ;D I still find it hard to believe that we have three episodes of "Master Plan" back against the odds and three that represent the story prefectly. (The story can be split into three sets of four episodes - four set on Kembel (1, 2, 11, 12), four "space chase" episodes (3-6) and four "time chase" episodes (7-10) and we have one episode from each of those sets.) Sadly, I don't think we'll ever see another episode recovered, although I did say that in 2003... I asked this on the Restoration Team's board (ages ago) and was informed that there is no indication of whether "Day of Armageddon" was the Australian print or not. Although, reading through this thread, shouldn't it be easy to tell if the Beeb's copy was a negative and the Australian prints were positive... or is it not that simple? Does anyone know what the Australian censors did with rejected prints at the time? Did they destroy or return them or did it depend on the instructions they were given? |
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Post by Brad Phipps on Oct 5, 2005 3:27:54 GMT
Does anyone know what the Australian censors did with rejected prints at the time? Did they destroy or return them or did it depend on the instructions they were given? I believe they were returned to the BBC as per instructions. |
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Post by Jon Preddle on Oct 5, 2005 3:29:45 GMT
Does anyone know what the Australian censors did with rejected prints at the time? Did they destroy or return them or did it depend on the instructions they were given? If it was BBC material, the films would be sent back to BBC Sydney (since technically they did own them), who could then try to flog it off somewhere else! But since the ABC was 'king' as far as sales of Doctor Who were concerned, the fact they couldn't sell DMP to the ABC *may* have been instrumental in the BBC not selling it anywhere else... So it is entirely possible that the some of the extant eps are the ones from Australia... Jon Preddle |
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Post by Wright Blan on Oct 5, 2005 20:19:02 GMT
Enterprises arranged for telerecording negatives to be made systematically of all episodes (barring The Feast of Steven) with a few days of them airing in the UK. The neagives would then be staored in their vault and prints would then be run off as and when necessary. As Grumbledook says, copies of Episodes 1-6 & 8-12 of The Daleks' Master Plan were sent to Australia for their evaluation, but they decided not to to broadcast it. Richard Why did they choose not to screen it, was it too violent or too long? I'm pretty sure it was because it was deemed "too violent". I'm not sure why. They only killed off two companions during the story's run. |
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Post by Jon Preddle on Oct 5, 2005 20:50:29 GMT
Why did they choose not to screen it, was it too violent or too long? I'm pretty sure it was because it was deemed "too violent". I'm not sure why. They only killed off two companions during the story's run. No - per my previous posting, the subject matter and themes were deemed to be unsuitable for the timeslot. This is a direct quote from the censors report. Jon |
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Post by Scott J. on Oct 5, 2005 20:51:40 GMT
I'm pretty sure it was because it was deemed "too violent". I'm not sure why. They only killed off two companions during the story's run. No - per my previous posting, the subject matter and themes were deemed to be unsuitable for the timeslot. This is a direct quote from the censors report. Jon What does that mean, what time were they planning to show the episodes? |
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Post by Jon Preddle on Oct 5, 2005 22:30:10 GMT
No - per my previous posting, the subject matter and themes were deemed to be unsuitable for the timeslot. This is a direct quote from the censors report. Jon What does that mean, what time were they planning to show the episodes? DW screened at 6.30pm weeknights in those days. Some eps of DMP were rated A which meant they couldn't screen before 7.30pm. Jon Preddle |
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Post by Martin Dunne on Nov 20, 2005 8:46:20 GMT
To expand on this; episodes were sent to the Film Censorship Board for ratings and recommendations. Many episodes were rated A with recommendations for scene cuts to bring them down to G level. In the case of DMP the Board's advice was that three episodes (and Mission to the Unknown) were unsuitable for censorship due to their themes rather than specific scenes. Incidentally the first three adventures were only ever rated A, screened at 19:30 and never repeated in an earlier slot. Martin! -- sfsa.org.au/, the South Australian Doctor Who Fan Club, Inc. |
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