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Post by B Thomas on Oct 4, 2005 0:29:07 GMT
And yet I can still quite happily post the word "Bugger" in here and it doesn't get changed...
...mind you - after a landmark court case here some years ago - bugger is no longer regarded as an offensive word in New Zealand.
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Post by B Thomas on Oct 4, 2005 0:33:37 GMT
Addendum:
Before some child goes off half-cocked... My last post was not intended to imply that this forum was NZ-based.
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Post by LanceM on Oct 4, 2005 6:15:38 GMT
So episode 2 of Masterplan was wiped. Then who falsified the BBC records ? Obviously "Day of Armageddon" exists. So I was just wondering if someone could clear this matter up for me.
Thanks, Lance.
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Post by Richard Molesworth on Oct 4, 2005 7:32:31 GMT
Lance,
You seem to be failing to understand the difference between 2" VT and 16mm film. Or the difference between a VT broadcast master and a film print made for overseas sales.
No records were falsified. All Hartnell and Troughton episodes had their 2" VT masters wiped, but not before 16mm films were struck - apart from 'Feast of Steven', which was wiped without any film copy being taken of it, acording to all informtion.
This is why 'Masterplan' was only offered as an 11-part story, even though no country ever purchased it.
Regards,
Richard
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Post by Richard Bignell on Oct 4, 2005 10:04:35 GMT
Based on the evidence, it does seem pretty random and illogical. Whether this is a curse or blessing, I don't know, but there have been a lot of fortunate recoveries due to the apparent inefficiency of the junking, so I'd dare to say it might be a blessing (definitely in disguise!). Well yes, but you have to remember that we're talking about the original 2" videotape masters here - not the 16mm telerecordings, which were stored not only in entirely seperate buildings, but also in different parts of London! From memory, I believe that VT material from one particular story wouldn't have been stored together in a neat row. Tapes were filed according to their recording number, so they probably would have been a been rather randomly distributed on the Engineering Department's shelves. By all accounts, the original storage facility wasn't too neat anyway, with tapes often piled up on trolleys, in stacks on the floor - i.e. anywhere they could find the space! All of this may well have had some bearing on the the rather seemingly-random wipings that took place between 1967 and 1974. Richard
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Post by Scott J on Oct 4, 2005 11:19:43 GMT
Lance, You seem to be failing to understand the difference between 2" VT and 16mm film. Or the difference between a VT broadcast master and a film print made for overseas sales. No records were falsified. All Hartnell and Troughton episodes had their 2" VT masters wiped, but not before 16mm films were struck - apart from 'Feast of Steven', which was wiped without any film copy being taken of it, acording to all informtion. This is why 'Masterplan' was only offered as an 11-part story, even though no country ever purchased it. Regards, Richard So why were Telerecordings made of Masterplan if no country ever bought it? As telerecordings were expensive weren't they only done if a country had agreed to purchase them?
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Post by Robbo13 on Oct 4, 2005 11:29:08 GMT
Copies were probably made in case of potential sales.
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Post by ethantyler on Oct 4, 2005 17:45:14 GMT
Copies were probably made in case of potential sales. Does anyone know how many prints were struck or would this depend on how many countries expressed interest in purchasing the episodes. For example, were the Australian "Mission"/"Master Plan" prints the only prints struck or would the BBC have had at least a spare from which further prints could be struck?
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Post by Grumbledook on Oct 4, 2005 19:00:26 GMT
Copies were probably made in case of potential sales. I think a copy was sent to Australia for evaluation.
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Post by Brad Phipps on Oct 4, 2005 19:29:14 GMT
I believe that what he had was a ten minute extract from episode two of Dalek Invasion of Earth which ended up at the BFI. I also heard it was from episode 6. Could Mr Bignell or someone please clear that up for me please?
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Post by ethantyler on Oct 4, 2005 20:00:07 GMT
I believe that what he had was a ten minute extract from episode two of Dalek Invasion of Earth which ended up at the BFI. I also heard it was from episode 6. Could Mr Bignell or someone please clear that up for me please? It was the scene where the Doctor is imprisoned in the cell on the Dalek spaceship and subsequently tries to escape. I'm not die-hard enough to know which episode that is from, however.
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Post by Richard Bignell on Oct 4, 2005 20:29:48 GMT
So why were Telerecordings made of Masterplan if no country ever bought it? As telerecordings were expensive weren't they only done if a country had agreed to purchase them? Enterprises arranged for telerecording negatives to be made systematically of all episodes (barring The Feast of Steven) with a few days of them airing in the UK. The neagives would then be staored in their vault and prints would then be run off as and when necessary. As Grumbledook says, copies of Episodes 1-6 & 8-12 of The Daleks' Master Plan were sent to Australia for their evaluation, but they decided not to to broadcast it. Richard
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Post by Richard Bignell on Oct 4, 2005 20:32:17 GMT
It was the scene where the Doctor is imprisoned in the cell on the Dalek spaceship and subsequently tries to escape. Indeed. The BFI clip is from Episode 2. Richard
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Post by Brad Phipps on Oct 4, 2005 20:58:53 GMT
Cheers to both of you.
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Post by Scott J. on Oct 4, 2005 21:13:30 GMT
So why were Telerecordings made of Masterplan if no country ever bought it? As telerecordings were expensive weren't they only done if a country had agreed to purchase them? Enterprises arranged for telerecording negatives to be made systematically of all episodes (barring The Feast of Steven) with a few days of them airing in the UK. The neagives would then be staored in their vault and prints would then be run off as and when necessary. As Grumbledook says, copies of Episodes 1-6 & 8-12 of The Daleks' Master Plan were sent to Australia for their evaluation, but they decided not to to broadcast it. Richard Why did they choose not to screen it, was it too violent or too long?
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