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Post by George D on Aug 3, 2015 12:57:52 GMT
there are a lot of things to reflect on in this series of posts.
It shows the motivation that Phil had at the beginning to search africa for missing episodes.
while many were reluctant to support him at first (which was unfortunate) on another note perhaps they didnt have enough information at that time to do so..
The irony is ian who is the one who initially supports him and gets others to support him, once that happens, it appears his relationship with phil has changed.
while some may question some things that have been done, i think we all are happy with the success and most are willing to over look human failing hoping it leads to more recoveries.
while we're forever grateful that web/enemy have been returned for the 50th, like many, im curious what had happened during that 8 years that lead to it taking so long to be located and returned to the bbc. is that a sign that it will maybe take another 8 years (or longer) for some more to be turned over? hopefully not. many who were a part of it and remembered them will be gone. while the dr who franchise will continue to grow, sadly i dont see the same level of interest in the classic era in the younger as with the older.
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Post by John Green on Aug 3, 2015 13:00:04 GMT
Blue Moon! You saw me standing alone Without a missing episode in my hands Without a new one to own. Blue Moon! You knew what I'd been waiting for It's been a year and a half It must be time for some more. And then there suddenly appeared before me (ok, maybe I should stop now) Richard :-) But you were just getting to the interesting bit! "Then there suddenly appeared before me...".What episodes? |
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Post by Richard Develyn on Aug 3, 2015 13:02:08 GMT
Blue Moon! You saw me standing alone Without a missing episode in my hands Without a new one to own. Blue Moon! You knew what I'd been waiting for It's been a year and a half It must be time for some more. And then there suddenly appeared before me (ok, maybe I should stop now) Richard :-) But you were just getting to the interesting bit! "Then there suddenly appeared before me...".What episodes? Oh - if only ... Richard |
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Post by George D on Aug 3, 2015 13:07:40 GMT
..probably another rumor disappointment  |
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Post by shellyharman67 on Aug 3, 2015 15:22:42 GMT
My friend went to nigeria last year ! All i can say is its corruption through and through. 3 Lots of £50 to go through customs because he is a westerner ! And Army escort via land travel So if it takes a while to get them back i totally understand !!! |
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Post by andyeves on Aug 3, 2015 16:17:16 GMT
I cant be a hypocrite here, and I have found some of his behaviour rather bizarre in recent times and I never will understand why we know so little still after such a long,long time but I do personally believe there is more to come. Maybe the publicity generated by Web/Enemy had an adverse impact on his ongoing search, and taught him that the best strategy to maximise further returns, or at least to maximise the chances of any returns, is to take a clandestine approach until it is fully complete. I'd hate to think he would do anything to compromise that strategy in order to satisfy the impatience of some fans. I also find the lack of knowledge frustrating, but it's a small price to pay and I take comfort for the fact that we instead have good reason for hope. |
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Post by andyeves on Aug 3, 2015 16:29:41 GMT
Ian's recently re-tweeted that we may get a return "once in a blue moon".Significant or what? Clear and unequivocal proof that Ian Levine knows that Moonbase has been returned in full. Yippee!!! |
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Post by Hugh Pearson on Aug 3, 2015 22:29:53 GMT
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Post by lousingh on Aug 4, 2015 18:48:27 GMT
I cant be a hypocrite here, and I have found some of his behaviour rather bizarre in recent times and I never will understand why we know so little still after such a long,long time but I do personally believe there is more to come. Maybe the publicity generated by Web/Enemy had an adverse impact on his ongoing search, and taught him that the best strategy to maximise further returns, or at least to maximise the chances of any returns, is to take a clandestine approach until it is fully complete. I'd hate to think he would do anything to compromise that strategy in order to satisfy the impatience of some fans. I also find the lack of knowledge frustrating, but it's a small price to pay and I take comfort for the fact that we instead have good reason for hope. I personally believe that the publicity really hurt. If I were unscrupulous and had missing episodes, the rumours, leaks, and the actual feeding frenzy that came with them would prompt me to jack up any asking price I had for them - like an order of 100 plus a large cut of the gross. That would scare off all but the most passionate and persistent...after which the terms become even more onerous. |
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Post by George D on Aug 5, 2015 4:09:31 GMT
Its an interesting theory.
I agree that the publicity does increase the value of the episode. Whether its hurtful or not is if the value is increased at the buying or selling time.
The rumor mill was at highest peak during the summer to October 2013. This was after enemy/web was returned to the BBC which was earlier in the year so the publicity was at the time that the BBC was planning on selling them to the public, hence making them high rated sales and also supplying publicity for missing episodes which might have brought some out of the sock drawer.
There was talk at the time that the publicity might have been interfering with negotiating returns, but I don't know of anyone who is aware of missing episodes existing that have not been turned over. Also, while a European or American might hoard if a value increases, if one was truly on hard times as many in Nigeria are, I think they would sell to put food on their plate.
Another through is some wonder if the source of the exaggerated rumors could have originated close to those recovering the episodes (im trying not to imply anyone's name) if that is the case, while it may supply publicity, one wonders what the sense of spreading the exaggerating stories if one was still planning significant recoveries.
so to me, even on this issue, i see good and bad and wonder if there was some method to the madness in creating these rumors that may be missed.
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Post by andyeves on Aug 5, 2015 17:05:49 GMT
... if one was truly on hard times as many in Nigeria are, I think they would sell to put food on their plate. ... and I dare say that they would try to barter for as hefty a price as possible. As Steve Roberts said, in response to reports that some fans were phoning the Nigerian TV stations when it was believed that Phil had recovered something, the last thing you want to do is make those who are holding them aware that there is a significant monetary value attached to these tapes. That kind of makes sense to me. |
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Post by Anthony Tobin on Aug 6, 2015 5:36:05 GMT
[Damn that small room and its many hidden treasures! If only we could get in past the security guards...] I've heard this argument many times before on this forum - that foreign TV stations have rooms filled with film cans that haven't been searched etc. What a lot of people here seem to forget is that we are talking about films that were aired some 40 years ago. In that time, TV stations close down, change ownership, move premises, get demolished, get bombed. Who on this forum has moved house? You don't pack everything to take to the new house. You throw away that which you no longer have use for. Same with films. If TV stations have store rooms filled with films that have been there since the 1960s/70s, you'd think that with changes of staff, personnel, policy, procedure, moving, etc, that someone in that time - think about it - 40 years is a very long time!! - would have had a clean out! Office /storage space is a premium, and so anything not needed is chucked to make way for things that are needed. We all need to face the fact/reality that TV stations in Zambia, Rhodesia, Singapore, Outer Mongolia, are not going to have hidden stores filled with old film. Jon Interesting looking back on this post now, in light of the recovery of 9 missing episodes of Doctor Who. |
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Post by Jon Preddle on Aug 6, 2015 9:56:35 GMT
Those TV stations I name didn't and still don't have hidden stores filled with old film. So why is it in any way interesting in the wake of the events of 2013 when it's still true even ten years later?
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Post by Richard Develyn on Aug 6, 2015 12:20:36 GMT
Those TV stations I name didn't and still don't have hidden stores filled with old film. So why is it in any way interesting in the wake of the events of 2013 when it's still true even ten years later? Have you been and had a look? Or are you just surmising? I'm a terrible hoarder - I never throw anything away, even things that are 40 years old. That's not at all uncommon, and I think we've heard some interesting information on these boards about certain cultures that tend more to keep things than lose them. Not everyone thinks like you. Some people never have clean outs. In fact, there's a TV program in the UK which is all about trying to get people to clean out their junk before they're unable to move in the house. Businesses of all sorts are also particularly averse to throwing stuff away, in my experience. Chucking something out is an irreversible decision that could hurt you later. Better to play safe and keep it - even if you end up sticking it at the bottom of a cellar, or is some outpost, or just leaving it to gather dust. I think what's interesting in retrospect is that the view that the cost of office / storage space was such that things would be chucked out turns out to be not correct. Mind you there is, and never was, a fact to face here. We don't know what's going on, however it's best for us to not imagine that it's a lost cause and so work on the assumption that things haven't been thrown away. Richard |
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Post by shellyharman67 on Aug 6, 2015 16:27:31 GMT
I think that was me Richard about the culture mentality of Nigerians. Its a fact that when you have bugger all you tend to hold on to it. This came from a lady who worked in a library in Jos as it happens  The country it seems runs quiet a bit on bribes ! And is more dangerous if your a westerner than you could ever imagine. My mate went to a wedding there last year. Now the prices are TREBLED if your are westerner ! He had to pay 3 lots of £50 to get past customs......... Got held up at gunpoint at a checkpoint. Thank god the Army escort you |
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The country it seems runs quiet a bit on bribes ! And is more dangerous if your a westerner than you could ever imagine. My mate went to a wedding there last year. Now the prices are TREBLED if your are westerner ! He had to pay 3 lots of £50 to get past customs......... Got held up at gunpoint at a checkpoint. Thank god the Army escort you