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Post by LanceM on Jun 8, 2005 7:16:56 GMT
Hello,
I seem to remember a article online which stated that a can marked "Doctor Who Fury From the Deep Episode Six ", was located but was either empty or did contain the wrong film. So, since a film can was actually found, then could the episode really exist out there somewhere ? Does anyone have any info input on this subject ? If so please feel free to leave a posting.
Thanks,Lance.
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Post by Richard Bignell on Jun 8, 2005 8:50:22 GMT
There's no reason for the print to still exist. Film cans get reused all the time, so it's nothing particularly unusual in that respect.
Richard
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Post by LanceM on Jun 8, 2005 16:58:51 GMT
Then, why don't we see more reused Doctor Who film cans ? As far as I know I have only heard of a few similar finds, such as the find of the Moonbase Episode Three film can, and the Marco Polo : Assassin at Peking. So, could there be a slim chance that someone borrowed the film, and either left the can empty, or switched it with another like sized film ? Just a thought, any ideas or input is appreciated.
Thanks,Lance.
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Post by ethantyler on Jun 8, 2005 20:45:10 GMT
It's impossible to say, really. Yes, it could exist, but probably doesn't. If it exists, then it probably exists in a private collection or mislabeled film can. However, the chances of it existing are slim and it has more likely been junked and the can reused (or, just as bad, rotted somewhere out of its can).
Those are just my opinions. Like I said, it's impossible to know without any evidence - destroyed until proved otherwise...?
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Post by Jon Preddle on Jun 9, 2005 1:04:30 GMT
Then, why don't we see more reused Doctor Who film cans ? As far as I know I have only heard of a few similar finds, such as the find of the Moonbase Episode Three film can, and the Marco Polo : Assassin at Peking. So, could there be a slim chance that someone borrowed the film, and either left the can empty, or switched it with another like sized film ? Just a thought, any ideas or input is appreciated. Thanks,Lance. A number of empty film cans bearing NZBC / TVNZ labels or markings have surfaced in New Zealand over the years. Most of these were recovered from rubbish tips where they had been disposed of by the NZBC who had no further use for them. Jon Preddle |
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Post by sam on Jun 26, 2005 14:06:52 GMT
If the film is decomposing somewhere, surely a decaying vinigered film would manage a single play to put it onto another format even if it destroyed itself in the process?
On that note, how many of the Dr Who episode could hae fallen to pieces through people trying to play them?
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Post by Steven Sigel on Jun 26, 2005 14:42:55 GMT
If the film is decomposing somewhere, surely a decaying vinigered film would manage a single play to put it onto another format even if it destroyed itself in the process? On that note, how many of the Dr Who episode could hae fallen to pieces through people trying to play them? The answer is that if prints were found in a rubbish tip, they would probably be so far decomposed that you'd get nothing (literally) off of them. Leave a print anywhere damp for too long and the emulsion get ruined and you're left with clear celluloid with perhaps some smudges of black on it...... It's not a pretty sight... Oh, and btw - just playing a print is unlikely to cause it to "fall to pieces" unless it was already a complete disaster area. However, playing a print on unmaintained equipment can lead to scratches and/or film breaks... |
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Post by William Martin on Jun 27, 2005 16:55:30 GMT
If the film is decomposing somewhere, surely a decaying vinigered film would manage a single play to put it onto another format even if it destroyed itself in the process? On that note, how many of the Dr Who episode could hae fallen to pieces through people trying to play them? The answer is that if prints were found in a rubbish tip, they would probably be so far decomposed that you'd get nothing (literally) off of them. Leave a print anywhere damp for too long and the emulsion get ruined and you're left with clear celluloid with perhaps some smudges of black on it...... It's not a pretty sight... Oh, and btw - just playing a print is unlikely to cause it to "fall to pieces" unless it was already a complete disaster area. However, playing a print on unmaintained equipment can lead to scratches and/or film breaks... not a pretty sight no, unuseable film one of the saddest sights in the world and wasn't the damage to the faceles ones caused by this sort of thing, lamp burn(hideous and chilling every time) and sprocket piercing etc |
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Post by LanceM on Jun 30, 2005 5:15:05 GMT
So,
What exactly is Ian Levine going to do to locate further vintage who material ?
Lance.
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Post by Richard Bignell on Jun 30, 2005 9:14:50 GMT
What exactly is Ian Levine going to do to locate further vintage who material ? He's not publicly saying! Richard |
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Post by LanceM on Jul 11, 2005 20:47:11 GMT
Well,
Ian, I wish you the best of luck in your search.
Lance.
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Post by Wright Blan on Jul 12, 2005 1:57:36 GMT
What exactly is Ian Levine going to do to locate further vintage who material ? He's not publicly saying! Richard Would you happen to know what he's saying privately ?  |
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Post by LanceM on Jul 14, 2005 21:22:36 GMT
Look what I found out: Year: 1988 Number of Discoveries: 4  ?: During a clear out of Villiers House in London, a BBC Enterprises employee was shocked to find a handful of film cans pushed to the back of a storage cupboard. The cans found were labelled The Ice Warriors 2 4 5 6 and Fury from the Deep 6. On inspection, The Ice Warriors 2 was actually The Ice Warriors 1, and the can labelled Fury from the Deep 6 sadly didn't contain the missing episode. Is it possible that the film was mis-shelved in Villers House somewhere? Lance. |
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Post by Richard Bignell on Jul 14, 2005 21:49:32 GMT
Is it possible that the film was mis-shelved in Villers House somewhere? Highly unlikely. As has been said before, it's not uncommon for old film cans to be reused. And if it was misfiled, it would have turned up again when BBC Enterprises moved out of Villiers House, which they did many years ago. Richard |
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Post by Roy Strang on Jul 31, 2005 22:49:24 GMT
So, What exactly is Ian Levine going to do to locate further vintage who material ? Lance. Who is Ian Levine? Didn't he play Benton and various monsters in the 60s and 70s? |
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?: During a clear out of Villiers House in London, a BBC Enterprises employee was shocked to find a handful of film cans pushed to the back of a storage cupboard. The cans found were labelled The Ice Warriors 2 4 5 6 and Fury from the Deep 6. On inspection, The Ice Warriors 2 was actually The Ice Warriors 1, and the can labelled Fury from the Deep 6 sadly didn't contain the missing episode.