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Post by LanceM on Jan 17, 2006 15:43:56 GMT
Yeah,
You are right Ash. So the best thing to do now is just wait and see what happens. Maybe, we had better let this issue lie for a while ( Give this guy a break from all these episode hunters).
Lance.
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Post by Ash Stewart on Jan 17, 2006 18:31:31 GMT
I usually am. So the best thing to do now is just wait and see what happens. Maybe, we had better let this issue lie for a while ( Give this guy a break from all these episode hunters). And Lance, with this you are right.
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Post by neil lambess on Jan 18, 2006 11:07:22 GMT
Also there are millions upon millions of 16mm reels out there, you are talking of an infinitesimally low probability that picking out a random collection will yield a reel of missing, Doctor Who. yeah from personal experience the odds are about 1 in 48..........
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Post by neil lambess on Jan 18, 2006 11:10:10 GMT
actually the odds are lower....i forgot about the guy i found on the net who had a mexican Planet of the Giants episode ......
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Post by Steven Sigel on Jan 18, 2006 16:45:27 GMT
I personally know of hundreds (if not thousands) of film collectors, and I know of fewer than 10 who have even a single episode of Dr. Who . And of those, most of them got their prints from the same one or two people.
I think the odds are far worse than 1 in 48 film collections -- more like 1 in 500 or 1 in 1000 at best. And that's talking about existing episodes.
If you're talking about missing stuff -- it's far less.
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Post by WilliamM on Jan 18, 2006 16:56:02 GMT
Re the overseas stations, It might be usefull to know if the program was known under different names and if so what they were, I mean if we are asking for DR who but theirs is titled Doctor que, would they know?
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Post by Stephen Neve on Jan 18, 2006 18:57:13 GMT
This is ridiculous. Why are you trying to harass this poor seller. If he wanted to respond, he would have done so. There is virtually NO CHANCE that he has anything even remotely of interest, and yet people here are treating it as if this was some sort of treasure trove of missing BBC programs. If we all thought like you Steven, then we might as well give up on finding anymore missing material. For petes sake man you constantly gripe on about there is no more missing TV among Private collectors, yet have you searched through every collectors archive in the world to back up your claim, I think not. You are correct in saying Doctor Who prints are rare, but that dosen't neccesarily mean there are not episodes among collectors, Some collectors may not know that anything they posses is of any value or may hold onto such material beacuse of its value. No wonder I gave up on episode hunting, with negative people like you keep hounding those who are trying to track down lost material for future generations to enjoy, if you think that there will always be 108 episodes of Doctor Missing then that is Ok, just shut up about it and let those who want to try and reduce the gap in the archive get on with it.
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Post by Steven Sigel on Jan 18, 2006 19:09:45 GMT
This is ridiculous. Why are you trying to harass this poor seller. If he wanted to respond, he would have done so. There is virtually NO CHANCE that he has anything even remotely of interest, and yet people here are treating it as if this was some sort of treasure trove of missing BBC programs. If we all thought like you Steven, then we might as well give up on finding anymore missing material. For petes sake man you constantly gripe on about there is no more missing TV among Private collectors, yet have you searched through every collectors archive in the world to back up your claim, I think not. You are correct in saying Doctor Who prints are rare, but that dosen't neccesarily mean there are not episodes among collectors, Some collectors may not know that anything they posses is of any value or may hold onto such material beacuse of its value. No wonder I gave up on episode hunting, with negative people like you keep hounding those who are trying to track down lost material for future generations to enjoy, if you think that there will always be 108 episodes of Doctor Missing then that is Ok, just shut up about it and let those who want to try and reduce the gap in the archive get on with it. Stephen -- How many missing epsiodes (of anything) have you found? I've found about a dozen. I also have a film collection of thousands of prints and I've dealt with hundreds of other film collectors for probably more years than you have been alive . That gives me a good feeling for the likelyhood of anyone having these prints. I have NEVER said that it's impossible for a private collector to have film prints. What I have said is that given the history of these prints, it's unlikely that there are very many in private hands, and the chances of them just appearing in a collection of "super 8 and 16mm films" on a web site like "preloved.com" is basically NIL. Plus - the fact that the seller isn't responding should tell you something. You have to remember that there were at most 20 prints struck of any given episode (probably far fewer since they were bicycled around). And of those prints most of them were returned and destroyed. And of the ones that were not destoryed, many of them have already been discovered, plus it's been 30 years. So I'm saying that it's UNLIKELY that you are going to find any in private collections. It's not impossible, but bothering every person who has a film collection is just going to annoy them. People like Ian Levine, Richard Bignell and other film collectors are the most likely people to find episodes if they are out there. And please STOP personally attacking people who happen to disagree with your position. It's not very mature.
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Post by ethantyler on Jan 19, 2006 2:52:18 GMT
May I refer you to this quote in the advert:
I believe the seller is using the word films to refer to theatrical films (movies). No where in the advert [that I can see] does he mention having film prints of television programmes. I think you're wasting your time here and I really don't think you should be e-mailing someone just because they have a large collection of 16mm films!
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Post by Ash Stewart on Jan 19, 2006 7:48:49 GMT
May I refer you to this quote in the advert: I believe the seller is using the word films to refer to theatrical films (movies). No where in the advert [that I can see] does he mention having film prints of television programmes. I think you're wasting your time here and I really don't think you should be e-mailing someone just because they have a large collection of 16mm films! I don't think it hurts to ask. In this case it mentions that the films range from 50' - that's just under 4 minutes of 8mm, just over 1 minute of 16mm. It's not inconceivable that somewhere in such a collection there may be the odd bit of telly. Most likely scenario here, IMHO, is that the films sold quite quickly, and the seller just didn't bother replying to further mails.
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Post by Stephen Neve on Jan 22, 2006 21:08:12 GMT
If we all thought like you Steven, then we might as well give up on finding anymore missing material. For petes sake man you constantly gripe on about there is no more missing TV among Private collectors, yet have you searched through every collectors archive in the world to back up your claim, I think not. You are correct in saying Doctor Who prints are rare, but that dosen't neccesarily mean there are not episodes among collectors, Some collectors may not know that anything they posses is of any value or may hold onto such material beacuse of its value. No wonder I gave up on episode hunting, with negative people like you keep hounding those who are trying to track down lost material for future generations to enjoy, if you think that there will always be 108 episodes of Doctor Missing then that is Ok, just shut up about it and let those who want to try and reduce the gap in the archive get on with it. Stephen -- How many missing epsiodes (of anything) have you found? I've found about a dozen. I also have a film collection of thousands of prints and I've dealt with hundreds of other film collectors for probably more years than you have been alive . That gives me a good feeling for the likelyhood of anyone having these prints. I have NEVER said that it's impossible for a private collector to have film prints. What I have said is that given the history of these prints, it's unlikely that there are very many in private hands, and the chances of them just appearing in a collection of "super 8 and 16mm films" on a web site like "preloved.com" is basically NIL. Plus - the fact that the seller isn't responding should tell you something. You have to remember that there were at most 20 prints struck of any given episode (probably far fewer since they were bicycled around). And of those prints most of them were returned and destroyed. And of the ones that were not destoryed, many of them have already been discovered, plus it's been 30 years. So I'm saying that it's UNLIKELY that you are going to find any in private collections. It's not impossible, but bothering every person who has a film collection is just going to annoy them. People like Ian Levine, Richard Bignell and other film collectors are the most likely people to find episodes if they are out there. And please STOP personally attacking people who happen to disagree with your position. It's not very mature. Steven, I am surprised that you think that I am personally attacking you. Care to ellaborate! I get the impression that you think I am "personally attacking" people beacuse their points of view don't tally with my own. I can assure you Steven that is not the case. What I have actually been attacking is the attitude and Bullying towards those who want to try and plugs the gaps in the BBC's archive, which has been almost a daily occurence on this forum. While I whole heartly accept that myself and Lance( although I don't search for missing material anymore) are not in the same league as Richard and Ian when it comes to searching for missing material and we don't have all the knowledge or resources they have, we still on the otherhand try and do our bit however small, the more people searching the better the chance of coming across something. However our search is being conciderably hindered by constant bullying and negative attitudes, not just on this forum I have seen it take place on others as well. This negativity is getting so bad now that is discouraging people from looking for lost material, when really this forum and others should be encouraging the search for lost material. A shame. Oh and Steven, don't call people immature, its not very nice.
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Post by Eric Robson on Jan 22, 2006 21:29:39 GMT
While I whole heartly accept that myself and Lance( although I don't search for missing material anymore) are not in the same league as Richard and Ian when it comes to searching for missing material and we don't have all the knowledge or resources they have, we still on the otherhand try and do our bit however small However our search is being conciderably hindered by constant bullying and negative attitudes, not just on this forum I have seen it take place on others as well. What search? And how is it being hindered by this forum? Please elaborate... And if you don't have "the knowledge or resources" (as you state above) then why are you doing this? You need to have resources. You need to do the research. Archaeologists don't just dig a hole in the ground hoping they'll find a dinosaur bone. First they research likely places where bones are likely to be found... then they study weather patterns, migratory flows, feeding patterns... and THEN they dig. It ain't exactly rocket science, but finding missing episodes can be likened to be a science - you theorise, you research, you test, you test some more, you explore, and then maybe you have success... That's something I think everone here needs to consider. Eric
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Post by B Thomas on Jan 23, 2006 1:00:10 GMT
Hear, hear...
And perhaps when advice is offered by others who have been there and done it before others will listen and take it on board in order to spare several dead horses from being flogged.
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