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Post by Laurence Piper on Oct 15, 2004 16:21:53 GMT
Interesting stuff. Funny you mention the plastic surgery; he was speaking via satellite link on something in the '90s and I remember thinking that his face looked like a weird waxwork effigy that had melted! Truly. That may explain things a little.
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Post by H Hartley on Oct 15, 2004 19:14:42 GMT
Surely he must have bought the rights for RSG? Victor Lewis Smith had to buy the 'Associated Rediffusion' name and is now the proud owner, but he is not allowed to use the post 64 ident of 'Rediffusion London' as this is registered under another trademark. So what does anyone know about the mysterious Archiebold ?
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Post by Laurence Piper on Oct 16, 2004 10:39:09 GMT
Very good question indeed! Archbuild actually though. They are so low-profile, it's untrue. They seem also to have no interest in promoting or making use of what Rediffusion material there is. Pity Granada Media can't buy them out!
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Post by William Martin on Oct 16, 2004 14:06:22 GMT
do you think he has any Totp Laurence ? I know it's a slim hope and he would likely have used something unless he doesn't want(wan't) to draw attention to himself or they are poor quality or legal reasons or something.
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Post by lfbarfe on Oct 16, 2004 14:17:53 GMT
He'll probably have set up some impenetrable estate or trust, just like the Hancock estate that keeps an iron grip on the ATV Hancock series and won't let them be released or repeated! There are signs, however, that Roger Hancock's mellowing slightly. Witness Airfield and 43 Minutes on the new Hancock DVD. Maybe this bodes well for the ATV series?
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Post by lfbarfe on Oct 16, 2004 14:21:16 GMT
Now heres a subject of many a debate over the years, has Dave Clark ever been approached?....in the correct way of course, perhaps by Dick Fiddy?....I know he has always declined to let anybody in on his collection...or a case of ££££?? Why do so many people here refer to matters financial with a row of pound signs? Is there anything wrong with using the word 'money'? Also, if it's Dave Clark's collection, surely he has the right to decline access? My guess is that everything worthwhile in his ownership has been released in one form or another.
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Post by lfbarfe on Oct 16, 2004 14:23:54 GMT
Clark is very cagey about what he does actually have. Those RSG compilations were cobbled-together abortions. This might have been a necessity. Someone in this thread has suggested that all he has are bits of programmes, hence the cobbling. It doesn't, however, forgive him inserting into each compilation a pristine 405 VT clip of the DC5, complete with audience cutaways on film
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Post by lfbarfe on Oct 16, 2004 14:26:25 GMT
He said if you don't want them then I'll have them (or words to that effect). I don't know if he paid anything for them. If the story was as you tell it, he probably didn't pay anything for the physical material (the prints, the negs, the tapes, whatever), but he then undoubtedly had to buy the rights to exploit the material. Or maybe he didn't, if Larry Dutch's post is on the level.
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Post by Westy2 on Oct 16, 2004 16:17:25 GMT
Wonder what he's got to hide ? (apart from his face, based on earlier posts !)
How did the Beeb get away with repeating 'Bits 'n' Pieces' on TOTP 2 etc? (In fact isn't that the only clip ever shown anyway?)
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Post by Laurence Piper on Oct 16, 2004 18:36:32 GMT
Probably because he doesn't have any control over TOTP material being repeated, unlike RSG. There's also "Everybody Get Together" from a Feb '70 TOTP - not sure if that one has been given a TOTP2 repeat or not.
Not sure where those VT clips come from though (inserted with film cutaways!) They're a bit smeary so it's hard to say if they are from European TV or converted from 525 copies of U.S. shows like Ed Sullivan.
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Post by john g on Oct 17, 2004 14:05:46 GMT
Wonder what he's got to hide ? (apart from his face, based on earlier posts !) How did the Beeb get away with repeating 'Bits 'n' Pieces' on TOTP 2 etc? (In fact isn't that the only clip ever shown anyway?) AFAIK the BBC, mainly due to it frugality in those days ,has complete ownership and control on all its TOTPs shows at least up and till the 1980s. This explains why they can for example, show Michael Jackson doing 'rockin robin' whether he wants them to or not. and it does not cost them a penny. Be interesting to know if DC has a colour copy of the Hippodrome Show from 1966?
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Post by Laurence Piper on Oct 17, 2004 18:28:59 GMT
Most probably a b/w print if he has anything from Hippodrome but it's still better than nothing. As regards TOTP, the BBC seem to be generally free to show stuff by even usually difficult artists like DC 5 - however this doesn't seem to include and editions presented by Noel Edmonds, for some reason! I wonder what sort of arrangement he had with the BBC that makes him any different? Anyone know any more?
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Post by CliveUK on Oct 17, 2004 19:04:19 GMT
AFAIK the BBC, mainly due to it frugality in those days ,has complete ownership and control on all its TOTPs shows at least up and till the 1980s. I am not sure if that is 100% the case, I did read that TOTP2 was a rather expensive show to make, due to the appearence fees which needed to be settled before any TOTP performance could be re-shown. I think that 'Earth, Wind and Fire' demanded large fees which is why their performances were so rarely re-shown on TOTP2. There was also that 'Pickety Witch' clip which was pulled from an episode shortly before transmission due to 'clearance issues' I really would love to read a thorough history on the productions aspects of TOTP which could explain all these issues. When the TOTP orchestra provided the in-studio backing track to a song, such as I believe Rockin' Robin, who owned the performance rights ? Jackson 5 ? BBC + Jackson 5 ?
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Post by Martin Fenton on Oct 18, 2004 14:35:59 GMT
Not sure where those VT clips come from though (inserted with film cutaways!) They're a bit smeary so it's hard to say if they are from European TV or converted from 525 copies of U.S. shows like Ed Sullivan. I have it from a knowledgable source that they are 525-line inserts shot in London for U.S. shows "Shindig" and "Hullaballoo". The former was produced by Jack Good. (The Beatles' "Shindig" appearance, by the way, is on "Anthology" - "Kansas City" performed before an audience at the Granville Theatre, London). The audience film inserts are from the Gerry & The Pacemakers sequence in "Beat City" (Associated Rediffusion 1963.) The programme was repeated complete in the 1980s on Channel 4, with a Dave Clark Productions credit following the Rediffusion one.
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Post by Laurence Piper on Oct 18, 2004 19:46:21 GMT
I did read that TOTP2 was a rather expensive show to make, due to the appearence fees which needed to be settled before any TOTP performance could be re-shown. I think that 'Earth, Wind and Fire' demanded large fees which is why their performances were so rarely re-shown on TOTP2. Not only TOTP2 but the UKGold repeats of TOTP during the '90s avoided any editions with Noel Edmonds DJ-ing owing to clearance problems. A shame as several interesting surviving shows were missed entirely. It makes sense about those DC5 clips being inserts for U.S. shows as there is no audience there and they look a bit staged.
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