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Post by A.S.M Smith on Jul 26, 2003 14:09:08 GMT
I am not trying to start daft rumours or raise hopes falsely. But there's a very small possibility some TOTP clips might just exist on a Norwegian music Documentary. A couple of years ago someone who's name I can't divulge told me two interesting things. When he was touring Norway in the eighties(In the pop group he was part of then) he saw a documentary about the history of Rock and Roll/Pop music. Featured were TOTP clips including Foundations "Build Me up Buttercup" I really was not sure if he was imagining it or not, perhaps just mistaken. But the other `Rumour` came about. He was a big Eurovision fan and was told a complete ESC 1970 existed. Everyone thought it would never be found, but now it exists! So my point is, perhaps there IS a norwegian music documentry with TOTP clips. Again I don't want to start any false trails but would anyone know how I could try to confirm or deny it.
A.S.M
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Post by Clive on Jul 28, 2003 7:40:00 GMT
I've mentioned before that Swedish TV used to have their own TOTP2 style programme which featured TOTP clips and although I never saw anything that was missing (although at the time I didn't realise that so much had been lost from the BBC archives) they did seem to show different TR's than what the BBC normally showed (a much cleaner Dave Clark 5 - Bit's n' Pieces) and thinking about it they may have also shown the colour 'Gilbert O'Sullivan - Claire' I guess SVT may have had a raid on the ZDF Disco archives, or they may have their own ?
Do we know which other countries the BBC regulary sent TOTP TR's and VT's to ?
The Swedish TV archive puts the BBC to shame, they seem to have a very complete archive going back to Day 1. They also make good use of their archives, over the weekend they were showing a programme on the History of their TV variety shows and it is obvious that their 60's catalogue is very complete and mostly on pristine 625 VT and lots of early colour, rather than the miserable filmed TR's that the BBC made much use of.
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Post by asm on Jul 28, 2003 8:12:06 GMT
Thanks very much Clive, that's very interesting. It gives me hope their may be a chance of Norway having something. A.S.M
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Post by William Martin on Jul 28, 2003 17:14:52 GMT
no likey source should be overlooked. the search of overseas archives(overseas from UK sorry to all non UK resdents to be so provincial) has not been exaustive by ny means and in many cases the archives in question just checked their books which are not always acurate. perhaps if there is anyhting left in Iraq we may find out in time although this will be many years away. Australia my still be a possible source since the bad blood between ABC and the BBC has prevented clear comunication.  what was the 1960s/70s canadian CBC pop program called I think "guess who" made regular apearances on it. perhps they have totp recordings.  |
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Post by Brian D on Jul 31, 2003 12:17:04 GMT
This interesting. I was given a stern lecture a couple of months ago in the forum by somebody praising the American free market as being the reason why so much USTV stuff remains and the BBC's archive is pathetic. But I can't imagine Sweden is a very close reflection of the American system!
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Post by Byron Dandy on Jul 31, 2003 14:26:07 GMT
Sorry to disappoint folks but TOTP did not ever screen in Australia until 2001. One special episode of 'Ready Steady Go' did on the ABC in Australia back in 1964 but for some reason TOTP never did.
Thank Your Lucky Stars however is a different story altogether. An Australian hybrid version combining original UK footage with newly filmed Antipodean footage was screened in 1964/65, of which some footage has survived.
Thank god for the Aussies....
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Post by Clive on Aug 4, 2003 6:55:16 GMT
Just to correct myself, the cleaner 'Dave Clarke 5 - Bit's n' Pieces' TR which I mentioned as having seen on Swedish Television, I notice also appears on the BBC's "Sounds Of The 60's." It's just that whenever TOTP2 show this clip they tend to use a different TR which looks like it has been cleaned with the aid of a wire brush.
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Post by William Martin on Aug 4, 2003 15:30:12 GMT
what was the 1960s/70s canadian CBC pop program called I think "guess who" made regular apearances on it. perhps they have totp recordings. "where its at" |
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Post by William Martin on Aug 4, 2003 15:35:08 GMT
This interesting. I was given a stern lecture a couple of months ago in the forum by somebody praising the American free market as being the reason why so much USTV stuff remains and the BBC's archive is pathetic. But I can't imagine Sweden is a very close reflection of the American system! no it isn't in any way like the American system also the Sweeds are very good organisers thats why they kept their archive intact, thats not to say that the Americans are not good organisers, its just that the Sweeds are. |
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Post by Pete on Aug 4, 2003 20:36:43 GMT
swede's are good organisers, hmmm
i'm a quarter finnish so thats where i get my good
organsation skills from
Pete
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Post by Clive on Aug 5, 2003 7:02:53 GMT
What amazes me is that the BBC always use the excuse that they did not make more use of VT in the 60's because of the expense of videotape and the need to re-use their precious stock.
What I can't then understand is how a small, government owned broadcaster such as SVT in a country with a small population which at the time did not rely on advertising revenues, purely on Government handouts could have used Videotape for archival purposes to such a large extent during the 1960's.
(Even HRT (Bosnia-Herzogovina) television was showing an archived music show last night from the late 60's on beautiful, crisp VT)
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Post by Brian D on Aug 5, 2003 18:24:39 GMT
If someone can tell me how to get into the old forum, I'll find the name of the person who was so smug when telling me exactly why American television archive had remained whereas the BBC's hadn't.
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Post by William Martin on Aug 6, 2003 15:39:42 GMT
swede's are good organisers, hmmm i'm a quarter finnish so thats where i get my good organsation skills from Pete As a person of distant Scandanavian descent myself I also like making lists, so perhaps it is genetic. |
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Post by William Martin on Aug 6, 2003 15:45:12 GMT
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Post by Brian D on Aug 6, 2003 22:53:24 GMT
The free market evangelist was Alistair McGown, and the exchange was over May 2nd - 4th this year. It's gratifying that my wish to see his argument disproven by the existence of a substantial European state television archive seems to have been met!
Over to you Alistair...........
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