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Post by ASM on Sept 25, 2003 13:50:22 GMT
Not wanting to put a downer on things but sadly i feel the 27/11/69 may be a false lead. I am part of a group (Kaleidoscope) who track down missing comedy, music and Plays/serials etc. Sadly the ONE area that has virtually always led to false trails is TOTP. A couple of years ago we really thought we'd tracked down over 30 TOTP circa 1970 -76 along with many other music shows (Lift Off - 8 episodes) Turned out to be one BIG hoax. So don't get hopes up too much. Do hopr i'm wrong though! ASM.
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Post by William Martin on Sept 26, 2003 15:45:02 GMT
:)i don't think this lead will turn out to be a hoax after all no one has approached us , but we are speculating that DC may have the 1st colour episode because he was in a live performance on that show but perhaps we've got the whole thing wrong, to echo your last posting I hope that i'm wrong in thinking thats its wrong. why do you think that TOTP has produced so many false leads was this a joke or an attempted con, your'e an expert in all this and any pointers you could give us in this area would be of great help what do you think of contacting celebs on the chance of their holding missing material, has this been done and if so what was the outcome and what is the best way to do this?  |
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Post by Alan smith on Sept 29, 2003 13:49:00 GMT
Dear William I don't mean to be negative or to cast uneccessary cynicism but! sadly for Kaleidoscope the one area that has proved to have the highest area of wrong leads and the odd hoax IS TOTP. I desperatly hope i'm proved TOTALLY wrong but at this moment I don't see it. The top 3 disappointing lead fall throgh for "Kaleidoscope" are (1) "Top of the Pops" (2) "Ace Of Wands" and (3) "Lift Off" ASM  |
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Post by Laurence Piper on Sept 29, 2003 14:37:52 GMT
...and the Rediffusion archive!!!! Crumbs are all that ever seem to turn up.
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Post by William Martin on Sept 29, 2003 15:23:47 GMT
your right, we have to get as much evidence on this as possible from as many different sources as possible, of course the best way would just be to contact the man himself but I'm not sure what reception we would receive, get it wrong and we would be filed as cranks and all future correspondance would be ignored. I still think some spec letters to Paul McCartney, Bill wyman, 1960s record company execs etc may yeald good leads.
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Post by William Martin on Sept 29, 2003 16:08:43 GMT
Mr Barker
nice posting
2800 hits & 9 pages this has to be a record.
also a message for mr piper
why were songs on totp repeated months after they were a hit?(not xmass special) was it an album feature?
eg something's happening and Urban spaceman both repeated long after they were on the singles charts ans before the xmass apecial.
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Post by Laurence Piper on Sept 29, 2003 22:01:28 GMT
Songs repeated on TOTP? Were they? Can you give any examples?
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Post by David Brunt on Sept 30, 2003 10:21:52 GMT
Songs repeated on TOTP? Were they? Can you give any examples? The Stuart Henry show listed for 9 September 1969 appears to be under the wrong date... |
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Post by Laurence Piper on Sept 30, 2003 16:59:49 GMT
Yes, there seems to be a bug in the TOTP database. It certainly wasn't typed up with those errors pesent, I can vouch for that. That 9/9/69 edition (at a glance - I don't have the info to hand at this moment) appears to be from Dec '68 / Jan '69. It'll all be sorted in time but it's good that people draw attention to all these things.
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Post by William Martin on Oct 1, 2003 15:32:21 GMT
ah apologies for the confusion, D.Base bug, ok.
I must say the totp database is both interesting for the information it holds and frustrating when you see what is missing When I was checking the DC5 listings I kept on comming accross episodes that looked quite interesting but are no longer in existence, just out of interest would you say that the 4 60s totp are representative of the program or did they vary in style more?
ps on the first existing 1968 episode what was the secret about the totp cameramen? or was sir james saville obe(or i it mbe?) just winding them up?
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Post by William Martin on Oct 1, 2003 15:58:02 GMT
Not wanting to put a downer on things but sadly i feel the 27/11/69 may be a false lead. I am part of a group (Kaleidoscope) who track down missing comedy, music and Plays/serials etc. Sadly the ONE area that has virtually always led to false trails is TOTP. A couple of years ago we really thought we'd tracked down over 30 TOTP circa 1970 -76 along with many other music shows (Lift Off - 8 episodes) Turned out to be one BIG hoax. So don't get hopes up too much. Do hopr i'm wrong though! ASM. what would you say are the most supect sort of leads and least reliable sources of info also have you tried speculative letters to pop stars etc before? |
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Post by Laurence Piper on Oct 2, 2003 9:58:01 GMT
Well, I suppose that the 4 editions are as representative as 4 editions CAN be! From my own memories though, there were a lot of other styles and subtle format changes that aren't really documented in those shows. I suppose that whatever shows survived, then there would always be BETTER ones to represent the series!
Certainly the first year or two were different in that there was always a "disc girl" in evidence and the disc would be seen to be placed on the turntable by her (Saville performs this role himself in the surviving 1965 VT clips). The theme was different too.
The very early colour era too (1969-70) had it's own clear style and the surviving b/w shows from that time aren't really totally representative.
Also generally it depends on the performers; it seems hard for me to visualise acts like The Doors, The Turtles or Pipkins appearing in the TOTP studio as there is no record of this. They all DID though.
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Post by ASM on Oct 2, 2003 13:51:23 GMT
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Post by William Martin on Oct 3, 2003 16:31:11 GMT
"the totp dolly birds, they don't make them like that anymore."
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Post by Pete Seaton on Oct 3, 2003 18:08:19 GMT
There that tallies this up to " 3000 "
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