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Post by andyparting on Oct 4, 2023 16:41:11 GMT
Why do we always act so entitled when it comes to Doctor Who missing episodes? Like we expect or demand the ME hunters to get them back, the 60th anniversary is on it's way therefore we must be getting missing episodes.
Do we deserve to get missing episodes back, after so much whinging, so many impatient comments? So often across the forums there is a slagging-off of collectors who wish to hold onto what they have, a disrespectful impatience with ME hunters who won't disclose their progress, nor the reason why they're taking as long as they are. A general venting of frustration, like we are entitled to these MEs.
It's great when we can get MEs back, but if they aren't 'available' then it's tough, frankly - and that's the way it's always been. Surely complaining, whinging over it would be like me complaining/whinging to NASA that we don't yet have light-speed facility to travel into space?!
I for one don't mind the wait, I enjoy the suspense, seeing what one day may or may not come back. I feel overall optimistic!
Thoughts on this?
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Post by John Wall on Oct 4, 2023 18:03:15 GMT
I’ve pointed out before that “fan” comes from “fanatic”!
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Post by Richard Bignell on Oct 4, 2023 19:10:07 GMT
I’ve pointed out before that “fan” comes from “fanatic”! There are quite a lot of etymologists don’t necessarily share that view and say that it actually stems from the word “fancy”. |
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Post by John Wall on Oct 4, 2023 20:10:06 GMT
I’ve pointed out before that “fan” comes from “fanatic”! There are quite a lot of etymologists don’t necessarily share that view and say that it actually stems from the word “fancy”. |
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Post by Richard Bignell on Oct 4, 2023 20:29:57 GMT
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Post by John Wall on Oct 4, 2023 20:50:53 GMT
Look at which came first. Additionally, tell me that fanatic doesn’t well describe the subject of this thread! |
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Post by mattg on Oct 5, 2023 8:03:50 GMT
Does everyone act so entitled then?
Regardless, what you broadly and uncharitably characterise as entitlement I would define as frustration. Indeed, the certain knowledge that a small gaggle of recalcitrant old gits continue to withhold not insubstantial missing material understandably evokes frustration amongst fans.
Whilst those in possession of such material are obviously under no obligation to part with it the dearth of concrete information pertaining to what resides in private ownership compounded by wild speculation as to what manner of inducement (likely financial of course) it would take for owners to part with their treasure, only exacerbates matters.
The good news at least is those aforementioned old gits are getting ever older, the bad news is, so are we!
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Post by Richard Bignell on Oct 5, 2023 9:00:37 GMT
Look at which came first. I don't know, which came first? Your Wiki article doesn't specify it. The original usage of the term seems rather shrouded hence why, as the BBC's Vocabularist article mentions, "Some experts still believe "fancy" is the main source. If the phrase "baseball fan" was already known, perhaps coupling it with "fanatic" was simply wit." By the way, I've just realised that the link I posted was circular and just directed straight back here! This is the correct one: The VocabularistIt might well do, but that wasn't the point I was trying to make, which was that the etymology of the term is actually more shrouded in mystery than your clear-cut assertion..   |
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Post by John Wall on Oct 5, 2023 9:37:54 GMT
👆 From the Wikipedia article the derivation from fanatic appears to be earlier.
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Post by Richard Bignell on Oct 5, 2023 9:49:38 GMT
👆 From the Wikipedia article the derivation from fanatic appears to be earlier. I'm missing where it's saying that. Which bit are you looking at? |
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Post by John Wall on Oct 5, 2023 10:23:21 GMT
👆 From the Wikipedia article the derivation from fanatic appears to be earlier. I'm missing where it's saying that. Which bit are you looking at? The section entitled “Etymology”. |
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Post by Tim Burrows on Oct 5, 2023 10:25:53 GMT
Does everyone act so entitled then? Imagine you're a film collector and you look in that box you've had in the attic for decades full of BBC prints and you end up on this thread. I really think it would be helpful if we, as a fandom, stopped ascribing motives and shifted the language about collectors. Film collectors are heroes to anyone wanting to see missing TV. Yesterday I was reading about a film collector who offered the BFI a film print of one of their most wanted missing films. He asked for some money (I don't know how much) and they declined. But he also offered to let them screen it and they declined. So now he won't deal with the BFI. On my last podcast we heard about a film collector who lent a copyright holder their copy of a particular film for HD restoration. They lost his film and he never got it back. Collectors have been the victims of attempted prosecutions for alleged piracy. This happened to Bob Monkhouse and while it was thrown out, unfortunately so were some of his unique film items. Maybe things are a bit more complicated than we assume. |
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Post by Richard Bignell on Oct 5, 2023 10:53:45 GMT
I'm missing where it's saying that. Which bit are you looking at? The section entitled “Etymology”. That's what I'm looking at. It's talking about the original usage of "fanatic", but not giving any clear information about the derivation of "fan". |
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Post by Ray Langstone (was saintsray) on Oct 5, 2023 11:09:08 GMT
People hold on to things for different reasons.
I know one gent who has a few non-DW BBC reels and tapes and he won't give them back at all because he had a major falling out with BBC management.
I mentioned Kaleidoscope or the BFI as other options - and we were talking on-and-off for a year or so, but his view was ""the BBC will just get access to them anyway and they can (expletive deleted).""
Please note, he didn't have any DW, but did have at least two missing programmes, 60s, childrens' TV.
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Post by Ray Langstone (was saintsray) on Oct 5, 2023 11:16:22 GMT
Quickly back on to DW in one of my rare excursions to this section of the Forum.
I'd heard a name banded about re missing DW, someone who was rumoured to have one, and a contact of mine actually asked me to break in and burgle his place!!!!!
NO! FFS.
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