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Post by Paul Vanezis on Oct 8, 2023 0:44:23 GMT
There are no guarantees of future returns of any missing episodes from collectors who may have them. None at all.
And the idea that film collectors truly understand the significance of any they have is for the fairies. Only twice has a DW film from a genuine film collector been sold for profit, apart from the re-selling on of known collections.
The first was The Lion which, when auctioneers fees were taken into consideration, made a loss. The other was an original print of A Land of Fear. Although that was from a film collectors collection, it was sold on by a dealer.
All collectors who have had Doctor Who films in their collections have returned them so far. David Stead, Gordon Hendry, Bruce Campbell and Terry Burnett either donated or loaned their prints to the BBC Archive for nothing. So, seriously, let's have some level heads here. Berating collectors for curating their collections won't get anyone very far.
Paul
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Post by George D on Oct 8, 2023 1:24:04 GMT
Thanks.
I'm curious how that correlates with comments that there are known dr who episodes in the hands on private collections.
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Post by Angel Amezquita (Angelgreat) on Oct 8, 2023 3:41:18 GMT
There are no guarantees of future returns of any missing episodes from collectors who may have them. None at all. And the idea that film collectors truly understand the significance of any they have is for the fairies. Only twice has a DW film from a genuine film collector been sold for profit, apart from the re-selling on of known collections. The first was The Lion which, when auctioneers fees were taken into consideration, made a loss. The other was an original print of A Land of Fear. Although that was from a film collectors collection, it was sold on by a dealer. All collectors who have had Doctor Who films in their collections have returned them so far. David Stead, Gordon Hendry, Bruce Campbell and Terry Burnett either donated or loaned their prints to the BBC Archive for nothing. So, seriously, let's have some level heads here. Berating collectors for curating their collections won't get anyone very far. Paul Paul, have you or Philip Morris have asked the private collectors if they were willing to loan the prints to the BBC so a copy could be made in the archives? That way the collector could have the original print and the BBC can have a D3 copy. |
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Post by markperry on Oct 8, 2023 4:26:43 GMT
If only it were that easy Ange.
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Post by Richard Bignell on Oct 8, 2023 8:42:14 GMT
Paul, have you or Philip Morris have asked the private collectors if they were willing to loan the prints to the BBC so a copy could be made in the archives? That way the collector could have the original print and the BBC can have a D3 copy. Why would the BBC put it on an obsolete format like D3? |
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Post by simonashby on Oct 8, 2023 9:10:09 GMT
Paul, have you or Philip Morris have asked the private collectors if they were willing to loan the prints to the BBC so a copy could be made in the archives? That way the collector could have the original print and the BBC can have a D3 copy. Why would the BBC put it on an obsolete format like D3? Angel doesn't actually have any real knowledge of the subject. He's only taking what he's reading on the internet and parrots it about. |
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Post by barneyhall on Oct 8, 2023 12:45:17 GMT
Did you seriously just ask Paul had he thought of asking the collectors if they could a make a copy.....like they hadn't thought of it or that it was a new suggestion?. Like seriously engage brain cell number 1 with number 2 before attempting to use keyboard and stop embarrassing yourself 🙄
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Post by Angel Amezquita (Angelgreat) on Oct 8, 2023 13:08:06 GMT
Can you please stop being rude to me? I was just making a suggestion.
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Post by John Wall on Oct 8, 2023 14:03:33 GMT
Can you please stop being rude to me? I was just making a suggestion. Stop whinging. |
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Post by barneyhall on Oct 8, 2023 15:26:29 GMT
Can you please stop being rude to me? I was just making a suggestion. my intention is not to be rude(although some people do mistake rudeness for hearing things they dont want to hear)it is for you take a solid Frank look at some of the stuff you put and think before you type. It's not just me that gets exasperated and as far as suggestions go, it was as unhelpful as have you looked in the BBC archive to see if tenth planet ep4 is actually there after ep 3 just on a slight shadowy shelf. |
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Post by Jaspal Cheema on Oct 8, 2023 19:19:06 GMT
Did you seriously just ask Paul had he thought of asking the collectors if they could a make a copy.....like they hadn't thought of it or that it was a new suggestion?. Like seriously engage brain cell number 1 with number 2 before attempting to use keyboard and stop embarrassing yourself 🙄 We were all learner-drivers before we passed our driving tests! |
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Post by Ash Stewart on Oct 8, 2023 19:30:56 GMT
Merriam-Webster, the Oxford dictionary and other sources define "fan" as a shortened version of the word fanatic. Okay. The original usage of "fanatic" is really by-the-by as we all understand the meaning. Merriam-Webster is quite right to quote the 1885 citation, but makes no reference to the earlier sporting use of "fancy" to describe a follower, so it's not really a conclusive source - and for this, nothing is. As mentioned, it's this usage that some etymologists think may be the original derivation of the "fan" contraction. There are plenty of words that jump the hurdle from being verbs to nouns.  It may well be that "fanatic" is the original source word. It may be that it comes from "fancy". The point is, it's grammatically one of those words that you can't conclusive say has one source or another. I just thought it was interesting as lots of people make the same, and not unreasonable, assumption, but the reality may be shrouded in more mist than we may realise. Can we get Susie Dent to join the forum? She'd sort it all out! |
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Post by Stephen Neve on Oct 11, 2023 19:04:28 GMT
Why do we always act so entitled when it comes to Doctor Who missing episodes? Like we expect or demand the ME hunters to get them back, the 60th anniversary is on it's way therefore we must be getting missing episodes. Do we deserve to get missing episodes back, after so much whinging, so many impatient comments? So often across the forums there is a slagging-off of collectors who wish to hold onto what they have, a disrespectful impatience with ME hunters who won't disclose their progress, nor the reason why they're taking as long as they are. A general venting of frustration, like we are entitled to these MEs. It's great when we can get MEs back, but if they aren't 'available' then it's tough, frankly - and that's the way it's always been. Surely complaining, whinging over it would be like me complaining/whinging to NASA that we don't yet have light-speed facility to travel into space?! I for one don't mind the wait, I enjoy the suspense, seeing what one day may or may not come back. I feel overall optimistic! Thoughts on this? I don't like the term entitled. The major problem with missing episodes is that those in the know act like they are guarding nuclear weapons codes and can be degoratory towards fans in general. Ian Levine gets treated quite badly and he has done a lot in regards to recovery of these episode. They don't seem to be able to work together. There seems to be this distrust of Phillip Morris and Kalidescope when it would be better to work together. As for comments about collectors, ME hunters are responsible for this. They make vague public statement that there are around 4 or 5 episodes in private hands. I prefer the old days of deny everything. |
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Post by Stephen Neve on Oct 11, 2023 19:12:44 GMT
There are no guarantees of future returns of any missing episodes from collectors who may have them. None at all. And the idea that film collectors truly understand the significance of any they have is for the fairies. Only twice has a DW film from a genuine film collector been sold for profit, apart from the re-selling on of known collections. The first was The Lion which, when auctioneers fees were taken into consideration, made a loss. The other was an original print of A Land of Fear. Although that was from a film collectors collection, it was sold on by a dealer. All collectors who have had Doctor Who films in their collections have returned them so far. David Stead, Gordon Hendry, Bruce Campbell and Terry Burnett either donated or loaned their prints to the BBC Archive for nothing. So, seriously, let's have some level heads here. Berating collectors for curating their collections won't get anyone very far. Paul The last statement is not entirely true though is it Paul. You have made it known that you are aware of a collector who has two missing episodes and is not ready at this moment in time to agree to a return. |
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Post by RWels on Oct 11, 2023 19:27:34 GMT
There are no guarantees of future returns of any missing episodes from collectors who may have them. None at all. And the idea that film collectors truly understand the significance of any they have is for the fairies. Only twice has a DW film from a genuine film collector been sold for profit, apart from the re-selling on of known collections. The first was The Lion which, when auctioneers fees were taken into consideration, made a loss. The other was an original print of A Land of Fear. Although that was from a film collectors collection, it was sold on by a dealer. All collectors who have had Doctor Who films in their collections have returned them so far. David Stead, Gordon Hendry, Bruce Campbell and Terry Burnett either donated or loaned their prints to the BBC Archive for nothing. So, seriously, let's have some level heads here. Berating collectors for curating their collections won't get anyone very far. Paul The last statement is not entirely true though is it Paul. You have made it known that you are aware of a collector who has two missing episodes and is not ready at this moment in time to agree to a return. I think he means, that we should not generally adopt the notion, that film collectors are the ones holding us back. Some of them probably lent their films again for the blu-rays. |
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