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Post by John Wall on Aug 8, 2023 18:48:44 GMT
At some time the memory of Savile will fade, as his victims die off. Then they’ll be able to show it in its original form. Now there's optimism..! I think there's more chance of me winning Love Island by myself than that ever happening. I’m talking about long, not medium, term! |
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Post by petercheck on Aug 8, 2023 20:22:41 GMT
Now there's optimism..! I think there's more chance of me winning Love Island by myself than that ever happening. I’m talking about long, not medium, term! There's no-one left who remembers Jack The Ripper, but his reputation doesn't improve! ; ) |
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Post by garygraham on Aug 9, 2023 2:14:37 GMT
At some time the memory of Savile will fade, as his victims die off. Then they’ll be able to show it in its original form. What might happen is that society's approach to this might change. Instead of being so sensitive to seeing various things, as we are now, we might decide it's more important to see, face up to it and be strong. When I think back to growing up, it was common to see the Nazi swaztika in comedy and youth culture such as hell's angels and punk. Even worn by The Sweet on Top of the Pops. Yet we were much closer to World War II then and far more victims were alive. But now we aren't trusted to make our own judgment. Everything has to be put into some context by an "expert" or celebrity with cherry-picked clips. It's unhealthy, as is encouraging people to feel they are victims of some past wrongdoing. |
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Post by John Wall on Aug 9, 2023 9:16:52 GMT
At some time the memory of Savile will fade, as his victims die off. Then they’ll be able to show it in its original form. What might happen is that society's approach to this might change. Instead of being so sensitive to seeing various things, as we are now, we might decide it's more important to see, face up to it and be strong. When I think back to growing up, it was common to see the Nazi swaztika in comedy and youth culture such as hell's angels and punk. Even worn by The Sweet on Top of the Pops. Yet we were much closer to World War II then and far more victims were alive. But now we aren't trusted to make our own judgment. Everything has to be put into some context by an "expert" or celebrity with cherry-picked clips. It's unhealthy, as is encouraging people to feel they are victims of some past wrongdoing. We’re now getting bastardised versions of things passed off as the originals. |
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Post by garygraham on Aug 9, 2023 14:57:32 GMT
What might happen is that society's approach to this might change. Instead of being so sensitive to seeing various things, as we are now, we might decide it's more important to see, face up to it and be strong. When I think back to growing up, it was common to see the Nazi swaztika in comedy and youth culture such as hell's angels and punk. Even worn by The Sweet on Top of the Pops. Yet we were much closer to World War II then and far more victims were alive. But now we aren't trusted to make our own judgment. Everything has to be put into some context by an "expert" or celebrity with cherry-picked clips. It's unhealthy, as is encouraging people to feel they are victims of some past wrongdoing. We’re now getting bastardised versions of things passed off as the originals. And that's worrying when the pace of migration from one format to another has speeded up due to digital. Perhaps only the doctored version will be migrated. |
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Post by John Wall on Aug 9, 2023 15:56:45 GMT
We’re now getting bastardised versions of things passed off as the originals. And that's worrying when the pace of migration from one format to another has speeded up due to digital. Perhaps only the doctored version will be migrated. Absolutely. Something has a very minor edit and unless there’s excellent configuration control we could end up with only the edited version. |
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Post by stephenconnett on Aug 9, 2023 16:19:26 GMT
Why bother with links at all in fact. I'd be more than happy to see the performances back-to-back and just a caption giving artists' name and song title. That's an interesting bit of info about that Smiths totp footage and the miming to existing track factor. Perhaps it's easy to forget that tv itself is a hotchpotch of edited, stretched and manipulated live and prerecorded footage and it just occurred to me that clips could be put together in a more imaginative collage of each year of the programme including rehearsals, still and material that currently only exists on audio. Anyway just a thought |
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Post by stephenconnett on Aug 9, 2023 16:32:26 GMT
On the issue of Ai to produce a realistic versions of the visuals of a lost programme that only exists as an audio track, I have no objection in principle, any more than for say conventional animation for such lost episodes.
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Post by jameswale85 on Aug 16, 2023 19:57:19 GMT
Why bother with links at all in fact. I'd be more than happy to see the performances back-to-back and just a caption giving artists' name and song title. Just the sort of common sense, no nonsense approach we need. Thanks everyone for your thoughts. Just a shame that we feel the need to apologise for what was fine to view in the past. If anyone has watched Only Fools repeats on Gold or the Sweeney / Professionals on ITV4 the programs become difficult to follow with key scenes or dialogue removed due to racism, sexism or "violence" |
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Post by John Wall on Aug 16, 2023 20:50:24 GMT
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Post by Kev Hunter on Aug 16, 2023 21:37:28 GMT
I wouldn't take anything that the Daily Mail says as gospel - that publication has never let the truth ruin a good story. |
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Post by John Wall on Aug 16, 2023 22:22:29 GMT
I wouldn't take anything that the Daily Mail says as gospel - that publication has never let the truth ruin a good story. You can presumably check the legislation for yourself. Little in a country run by Wee Krankie before the current, useless, incumbent would surprise me. |
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Post by Kev Hunter on Aug 16, 2023 22:36:41 GMT
I wouldn't take anything that the Daily Mail says as gospel - that publication has never let the truth ruin a good story. You can presumably check the legislation for yourself. Little in a country run by Wee Krankie before the current, useless, incumbent would surprise me. You're obviously impartial, given the words you used. Jeez. |
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Post by Peter Stirling on Aug 17, 2023 22:45:04 GMT
With the mention of our rabid press and truth being overcome by time.
I sometimes wonder about Savile and the real story.
You see I cannot help but think he must have been some sort of superhuman mastermind to escape the ravages of our Red Top press for over 50 years.
Yet in all that time all the press ever gave him was column inches for all the good work he did and his eccentricities.
With the 500+ claims against him after he died (including just about assaulting everybody including the ill and the dead)- had he been alive our press would have torn him to pieces and been selling papers for weeks.
Then there of course is the BBC. why on earth would they tolerate that behaviour (if true) from a so-so presenter who retired from TOTPs in the early 80s and then gave him his own show involving children where his poor presenting skills were often saved in the edit?...even if they did not want a scandal he could have been quietly told to 'go away' after TOTPs.
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Post by John Wall on Aug 17, 2023 23:13:47 GMT
With the mention of our rabid press and truth being overcome by time. I sometimes wonder about Savile and the real story. You see I cannot help but think he must have been some sort of superhuman mastermind to escape the ravages of our Red Top press for over 50 years. Yet in all that time all the press ever gave him was column inches for all the good work he did and his eccentricities. With the 500+ claims against him after he died (including just about assaulting everybody including the ill and the dead)- had he been alive our press would have torn him to pieces and been selling papers for weeks. Then there of course is the BBC. why on earth would they tolerate that behaviour (if true) from a so-so presenter who retired from TOTPs in the early 80s and then gave him his own show involving children where his poor presenting skills were often saved in the edit?...even if they did not want a scandal he could have been quietly told to 'go away' after TOTPs. Quite a few knew about Savile but two things worked in his favour. Firstly, he was a b-i-g star with the ability to call up Messers Sue, Grabbit and Runne to intimidate anyone making accusations. Secondly, there was no way for those who knew about him to find, and connect with, others. |
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