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Post by John Green on May 22, 2023 12:06:12 GMT
This thread always reminds me of the National Lampoon cover showing a threatened kitten (so not Kitten Kong), with its caption "Buy this magazine or kitty dies!".
Added: I've checked. It was a dog. Such a missed opportunity!
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Post by Angel Amezquita (Angelgreat) on May 22, 2023 13:02:05 GMT
Exposing collectors for hoarding missing episodes isn't going to help anyone, it just makes everyone in the situation look bad. Plus, it can make you look like a idiot if you're the one that's exposing them. Let's try to negotiate with them and see if they're willing to part with the print or consent to have copies made.
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Post by John Wall on May 22, 2023 13:52:06 GMT
Exposing collectors for hoarding missing episodes isn't going to help anyone, it just makes everyone in the situation look bad. Plus, it can make you look like an idiot if you're the one that's exposing them. Let's try to negotiate with them and see if they're willing to part with the print or consent to have copies made. I’d lay good money that if the likes of PV know of someone with a ME that’s being done!
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Post by andyparting on May 22, 2023 14:34:00 GMT
Because it wasnt Paul V that continuously went on about The wind blowing, be prepared for when you least expect it, the never ending arguments on web sites resulting in him almost losing the plot at one point. Yes I agree, he found 9 prints, so did Ian Levene and others have found prints too. But we didnt have this Omnirumour that sprang from that find, with Phil almost encouraging it at times with ill judged comments. A lot of people really believed there was more to come, that he was onto something, but here we are...nothing. At least Paul V has had the sense not to do that. So thats what I meant. Its my opinion, it may not be yours, but hey ho,...thats life. It's not over until the fat lady sings. We know not the full details of his ongoing search, why the delay etc. All will be made clear one day, no doubt. As one hymn writer once put it: "Then we shall be where we would be,
then we shall be what we should be;
things that are not now, nor could be,
soon shall be our own."
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Post by John Green on May 22, 2023 16:42:15 GMT
Because it wasnt Paul V that continuously went on about The wind blowing, be prepared for when you least expect it, the never ending arguments on web sites resulting in him almost losing the plot at one point. Yes I agree, he found 9 prints, so did Ian Levene and others have found prints too. But we didnt have this Omnirumour that sprang from that find, with Phil almost encouraging it at times with ill judged comments. A lot of people really believed there was more to come, that he was onto something, but here we are...nothing. At least Paul V has had the sense not to do that. So thats what I meant. Its my opinion, it may not be yours, but hey ho,...thats life. It's not over until the fat lady sings. We know not the full details of his ongoing search, why the delay etc. All will be made clear one day, no doubt. As one hymn writer once put it: "Then we shall be where we would be,
then we shall be what we should be;
things that are not now, nor could be,
soon shall be our own."Maybe I've been watching too much Little House on the Prarie, (it's always possible), but the public-domain fee-free hymn to quote seems to be: Sowing in the morning, sowing seeds of kindness, Sowing in the noontide and the dewy eve; Waiting for the harvest, and the time of reaping, We shall come rejoicing, bringing in the sheaves!
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Post by Frank Shailes on May 23, 2023 14:56:27 GMT
He was asked about collectors who might own one or two missing episodes. The (very generalised) details he gives about this particular collector – He’s “a very nice guy”, So is Roger Keith Barrett by all accounts, despite the knuckle flexing mock outrage on "Missing in Action".
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Post by simoncurtis on May 23, 2023 20:41:14 GMT
It's all well and good someone reliable knowing the secret whereabouts of a Missing Episode. But if they're not willing to buy it, it will remain Missing... possibly, forever!
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Post by simoncurtis on May 23, 2023 21:46:26 GMT
We've all noticed, since the pandemic a lot of peeps in their 50s are suddenly dropping dead. So imagine if this happened to the BBC Man. And that invaluable, secret link to the senile OAP collector with the Missing Episode tucked away in his sock draw, was lost, forever?
I'm very Sorry if my comment caused offence.
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Post by John Green on May 24, 2023 0:47:11 GMT
Another quote brought to mind by the thread-title is:
They are telling this of Lord Beaverbrook and a visiting Yankee actress. In a game of hypothetical questions, Beaverbrook asked the lady: ‘Would you live with a stranger if he paid you one million pounds?’ She said she would. ‘And if be paid you five pounds?’ The irate lady fumed: ‘Five pounds. What do you think I am?’ Beaverbrook replied: ‘We’ve already established that. Now we are trying to determine the degree.”
or words to that effect. I'd suggest it's not helpful.
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Post by George D on May 25, 2023 15:15:49 GMT
Someone mentioned a while back a copyright limitation of 50 years for uk tv.
Can someone clarify more about that?
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Post by Ralph Rose on May 25, 2023 19:25:54 GMT
Someone mentioned a while back a copyright limitation of 50 years for uk tv. Can someone clarify more about that? It's 50 years from the original broadcast. This is that way in the USA as well. Why some Carol Burnett Shows are finally being shown uncut after 50 years on the Binge network here. However, there are ways to extend copyright for a lot longer duration. Music used in the program can still be under copyright, because it was used in other programs or on albums etc.. The Soundtrack can still be under copyright because it was used in another form such as the Missing Episode audio range, or the publishment of the telesnaps, restoration etc... All can extend copyright. This is why some Public Domain programs such as Bonanza has the title song removed and replaced with a generic piece of music. The title song is still in copyright etc. At least this is how I understand it. It's a quite complicated subject with lots of provisos, exceptions, limitations, etc,
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Post by anthonybartley on May 26, 2023 9:58:06 GMT
There are so many loopholes around public domain titles that it's almost a contradiction in itself.
Wonderful for making some quick cash after the event - an absolute nightmare for archivists and historical preservation in general.
I've still yet to get a firm answer on whether the BBC lost their copyright for everything (and I do mean everything) that they have wilfully junked over the years? Abandonment is a very clear criteria for losing any claim to copyright. It's there in black and white - unless there's a "secret clause" that says the BBC are exempt from all of this? (which I seriously doubt)
Last I checked, they did dump/wipe a lot of stuff that's been rediscovered. I'm not sure why they suddenly get to reclaim that copyright again after having thrown it away? Does anyone with a dash of legal knowledge have any specific thoughts on this?
It would mean that the BBC doesn't legally own the copyright for any series or episodes they junked in years gone by - where there's a paper trail confirming their actions - and it's all public domain.
This is a long shot - but is there a specific list of Dr. Who episodes we know were junked by the BBC and were then rediscovered years later? (like the last finds in Africa, for example) I'd be very curious to know how long that list is?
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Post by lousingh on May 27, 2023 3:19:16 GMT
None of us are gonna be around forever, So it's high time we stopped walking on eggshells, and these collectors are exposed (: Bluntly, this does not work. Look at it this way. There are numerous missing paintings that made their way into private hands. Heck, there are true crime shows which documented some people who have seen some of these missing works. Some people even know the names of the possessor. Some of these missing artworks have multi-million dollar rewards for their return, no questions asked. You don't see those being returned, do you? (Duggan from "City of Death", Part Three: "It would be an expensive gloat...") Also from the art world: one guy's mother destroyed a slew of priceless paintings to destroy the evidence when her son thought he might get arrested. Certain collectors might prefer destroying a missing episode if a fan of Doctor Who tried to apply pressure to them. (Think of Lon and Tegan in the cave with the curator in "Snakedance", Part Two and Part Three.) Aside: we are lucky that people have been kind enough to reveal that they have missing episodes. That is the reason why I am hopeful that they will be returned some day -- why reveal that you have them and allow an interested party verify their authenticity if you have no intention of returning them? I respect everyone who has negotiated with these collectors because of how touchy some of my fellow collectors are. We probably can't appreciate how hard everyone has worked to find these episodes.
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Post by simoncurtis on May 27, 2023 18:41:05 GMT
I'm not suggesting that the contact details of the collector are exposed on this forum.
I'm an "artist", a lot of my work is on my FB page. I've refused offers to buy the originals because i'm not interested in money and wealth. They're free to copy, share and sell... but they'll never in my lifetime get the original piece (:
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