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Post by jakeswitzer97 on Jan 20, 2018 13:59:28 GMT
As someone who absolutely loves Troughtons incarnation of the doctor, I am like lots of people gutted that some of his episodes are missing. It has come to my attention that Gibraltar is the best place to look for missing Troughton episodes, does anyone know the last time it was checked?
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Post by Mike Biggs on Jan 20, 2018 20:44:27 GMT
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Post by jakeswitzer97 on Jan 20, 2018 21:29:25 GMT
Thanks for the help mike, let's hope someday something will turn up.
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Post by Mike Biggs on Jan 21, 2018 0:05:41 GMT
Thanks for the help mike, let's hope someday something will turn up. No problem. Patrick Troughton is a favourite of mine, so would love to see some more turn up. I was really pleased when Enemy of the World turned up a few years ago - I always thought it would be an interesting one to see in full. |
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Post by Tim Burrows on Jan 21, 2018 18:00:56 GMT
On a related matter:
In a 2016 as yet unpublished Fantom commentary for Web of Fear episode 6, Philip Morris stated words to the effect of "these films [Web and presumably Enemy] went through Hong Kong, Singapore, Gibraltar, Zambia..." before they wound up in Nigeria.
Previously, the route of the films has only been referred to as Hong Kong, Singapore, Nigeria.
There are no markings on the films nor cans indicating Gibraltar nor Zambia. However Paul has previously discussed inspecting films with no markings, but containing paperwork indicating Gibraltar as the origin. It's also possible that the Gibraltar and Zambia stickers were removed by subsequent broadcasters (so Zambia, then Nigeria respectively.)
So two questions:
1) Have any films/films in cans been inspected from Zambia and did they all have relevant markings on the cans and films?
2) Is Philip mistaken in the route he suggests?
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Post by andyeves on Jan 21, 2018 20:52:33 GMT
So two questions: 1) Have any films/films in cans been inspected from Zambia and did they all have relevant markings on the cans and films? 2) Is Philip mistaken in the route he suggests? IIRC, Phil has confirmed that he searched Zambia (with high hopes) but they had nothing. |
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Post by Tim Burrows on Jan 21, 2018 21:00:31 GMT
So two questions: 1) Have any films/films in cans been inspected from Zambia and did they all have relevant markings on the cans and films? 2) Is Philip mistaken in the route he suggests? IIRC, Phil has confirmed that he searched Zambia (with high hopes) but they had nothing. I believe he said they found no Doctor Who and no BBC stuff, which leaves plenty of room for other material. But really I meant anything ever known to have been returned by Zambia (which may of course be zip.) |
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Post by Jon Preddle on Jan 23, 2018 4:23:05 GMT
The GBC is a tiny TV station. It shifted premises in 1980 because its old site was prone to flooding; the brand new purpose-built facility was an all-colour service. It's very likely that any old black and white film prints still held prior to 1980 were disposed of at the time of the move, as the new TV centre wouldn't have had facilities to broadcast, let alone store, b/w film. |
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Post by Neil Lambess on Jan 30, 2018 5:06:31 GMT
The GBC is a tiny TV station. It shifted premises in 1980 because its old site was prone to flooding; the brand new purpose-built facility was an all-colour service. It's very likely that any old black and white film prints still held prior to 1980 were disposed of at the time of the move, as the new TV centre wouldn't have had facilities to broadcast, let alone store, b/w film. .....unless like NZBC /TVNZ they stored stuff at other places....? |
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Post by peterconvery on May 26, 2024 18:10:58 GMT
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2024 4:03:22 GMT
Since Gibraltar aired First and Second doctor episodes from 1965 to 1972 and rarely reaired the episodes after transmition at the time, the chances of the U-Matic tapes from the 70s and 80s having 60's Doctor Who content is slim to none. However, there is a possibility that there could be some Third or Fourth Doctor content on those tapes, but unless we're trying to find any PAL Pertwee footage that currently survives only on NTSC or 16mm or the excised footage from Episode 3 of The Deadly Assassin, idk if anyone here would be intrested in looking. |
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Post by peterconvery on May 27, 2024 6:11:52 GMT
Since Gibraltar aired First and Second doctor episodes from 1965 to 1972 and rarely reaired the episodes after transmition at the time, the chances of the U-Matic tapes from the 70s and 80s having 60's Doctor Who content is slim to none. However, there is a possibility that there could be some Third or Fourth Doctor content on those tapes, but unless we're trying to find any PAL Pertwee footage that currently survives only on NTSC or 16mm or the excised footage from Episode 3 of The Deadly Assassin, idk if anyone here would be intrested in looking. Sony U-matics were released Sept 71. Gibraltar started showing season 6 in feb 72 with the mind robber. The 1st possible missing episode was invasion part 1 shown on 20th March 1972. The then broadcast season 5 out of order starting Monday 19th March 1973 with the Abominable Snowman. So in theory it's possible. Has anyone checked with the archive team who was digitising the tapes checked to see what was on them? |
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Post by Rob Moss on May 28, 2024 23:42:23 GMT
Since Gibraltar aired First and Second doctor episodes from 1965 to 1972 and rarely reaired the episodes after transmition at the time, the chances of the U-Matic tapes from the 70s and 80s having 60's Doctor Who content is slim to none. However, there is a possibility that there could be some Third or Fourth Doctor content on those tapes, but unless we're trying to find any PAL Pertwee footage that currently survives only on NTSC or 16mm or the excised footage from Episode 3 of The Deadly Assassin, idk if anyone here would be intrested in looking. As has been pointed out on numerous occasions, Angel, the only place in the world where the uncut Deadly Assassin 3 was shown is the UK. The master tape was re-edited to remove the material before it was sold anywhere else. |
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Post by Robbie Moubert on May 30, 2024 0:31:39 GMT
I don't know what the roll-out of early U-Matic machines was, but Gibraltar would have had to have been very early adopters to have been doing off-air recordings in 1972. I would think it's more likely that they adopted the format in the mid-70s when portable recorders became available and it became popular for ENG use.
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