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Post by Simon Bolton on Jul 3, 2017 12:51:56 GMT
Hi, having seen some old film reels baking in their tin cans in my local Sunday flea-market this weekend I had to check whether or not a disappointing (to me at least) outer label coincided with the contents of the reel. The can label was in very evocative BBC orange dated 1967 (such a tease) and stated that the film within was part of an educational schools series about how children learn. The film reel inside which seemed to be in very good nick wasn't labelled, so I and an unwilling accomplice had to, very reverentially, unwind a considerable length of grey plastic starter (?) tape before any negative frames could be seen. Very sadly, despite my heart being in my mouth, the titles for Pat Troughton, nor the words "Fury From The Deep" Episode 6 (nor any other pure gold) appeared. Just the smiling faces of small children. Curses! We wound it back up and moved on to the stuffed parakeets.
The point is, that's the closest I've ever been to any sort of lost episode and what on earth would I have done if it actually had been FFTD 6? Would I have told the stall owner (almost certainly not... I have limited morals on that one...) and having persuaded him to sell it to me purely for my interest in 1960's teaching methods, what would I have done next? The film looked in very good shape, would I have been tempted to try and get someone to run it through a machine to see it first, although I know that could possibly have been the ruin of it...oooh the temptation. And then what, call Mr V.? Would there be huge cash rewards available? Bribes? Tricky stuff eh? Morals. Morals. What would you do?
Of course I'd share...of course I would..!
Cheers
Simon
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Post by John Wall on Jul 3, 2017 13:06:43 GMT
There is very little chance of any money as Auntie would own the copyright. The first thing anybody should do is get onto PV or anyone from the RT as they're the best people to assess the print and apply any necessary TLC.
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Post by RWels on Jul 3, 2017 15:12:47 GMT
The physical item will be your property. I'd loan it to the RT to be transferred, THEN sell it on ebay*, before anything is announced, thus making money while also fulfilling my moral duty.
* If that fellow who contacted PM tries to get it under the counter again, I'd bait him to see what he has got**, and try to swap.
** I'd hate to think that this person / these persons actually have succeeded at times in finding and keeping to themselves any episodes.
Oh, and one more thing: PLEASE DON'T STOP LOOKING JUST BECAUSE IT ISN'T SILLY OLD DOCTOR WHO! Plenty of other stuff that needs to be found as well!!
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Post by Dylan Heath on Jul 3, 2017 15:52:22 GMT
I'd loan it to the BBC or the restoration team to digitise for no cost as every fan deserves to see it however I would like the print back once they had finsihed so I could keep it in my own collection ergo satisfying everyone.
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Post by zaqwilson on Jul 3, 2017 15:55:39 GMT
Returning it to the archive would earn you name recognition within the classic DW community, but not likely any money. Perhaps you could sell it to the fellow who kyped web 3, then secretly tip PM off--have your cake and eat it too.  I've looked through film cans since I learned of all this in the 90s, but sadly nothing... except a chance to educate others on the plight of lost film and DW ME's in particular. If someone were to locate something i would recommend acquiring it without acknowledging its missing status, contact Paul V to quietly return it to good hands ASAP, and then google the best methods of storing film for the time being to avoid degradation. I am always pleased to know people are quietly looking. You never know when a unique print will appear, or where. |
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Post by andyc on Jul 3, 2017 17:25:59 GMT
SEELEY: You soldiers looking for them thunderballs, eh?
FORBES: That's our business.
SEELEY: Reckon if I know where to find one of them things, it'd be worth a tidy old bit, eh?
FORBES: You know where one landed?
SEELEY: I didn't say that, did I, son? I'm just asking.
FORBES: Yeah, well, don't ask. Go on, push off.
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Post by zaqwilson on Jul 3, 2017 19:05:15 GMT
SEELEY: You soldiers looking for them thunderballs, eh? FORBES: That's our business. SEELEY: Reckon if I know where to find one of them things, it'd be worth a tidy old bit, eh? FORBES: You know where one landed? SEELEY: I didn't say that, did I, son? I'm just asking. FORBES: Yeah, well, don't ask. Go on, push off. Just started Spearhead from Space lastnight. |
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Post by scotttelfer on Jul 3, 2017 22:04:48 GMT
No huge cash rewards, although you will get a screen used Dalek prop (courtesy of Blue Peter if my memory serves me correctly).
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Post by ianphillips on Jul 3, 2017 22:16:42 GMT
Remember, it only takes one person in the right place at the right time to recover a missing episode.
Example: The Evil of the Daleks episode 2
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Post by Darren Jones on Jul 5, 2017 1:10:37 GMT
An interesting question, but rather a redundant one I feel. While it would be tempting to play a missing episode and be the first to see 'episode XXXXXX' of Doctor Who (or from whatever series takes your fancy), the chances are that you would just damage the fillm/tape you had bought and render it useless for the rest of us (unless you are a restoration expert). I would strongly suggest that any finds, even if known to be in the archives, be viewed and graded through the proper channels (no pun intended ITV!) to ascertain authenticity and quality of the print/tape. After that, please feel free to enjoy your unique/common/better print/worse print/pirate/x th generation video or film copy as you see fit!  |
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Post by brianfretwell on Jul 8, 2017 8:56:10 GMT
Check it, get it to the RT (or whoever is doing that now, maybe via Kaleidoscope) to be copied/restored and keeping quiet about it until that had been done. Then thoroughly enjoy both watching it and the pleasure it would give others - hopefully at an MBW session.
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Post by Jaspal Cheema on Jul 8, 2017 10:31:26 GMT
SEELEY: You soldiers looking for them thunderballs, eh? FORBES: That's our business. SEELEY: Reckon if I know where to find one of them things, it'd be worth a tidy old bit, eh? FORBES: You know where one landed? SEELEY: I didn't say that, did I, son? I'm just asking. FORBES: Yeah, well, don't ask. Go on, push off. You can't read that without slipping into a West Country accent... |
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Post by ianphillips on Jul 8, 2017 15:30:04 GMT
Check it, get it to the RT (or whoever is doing that now, maybe via Kaleidoscope) to be copied/restored and keeping quiet about it until that had been done. Then thoroughly enjoy both watching it and the pleasure it would give others - hopefully at an MBW session. How would one check it if the can was unlabeled or mislabeled? I know you'd have to look at the actual contents, but how could one do that without risking damage to the print? |
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Post by John Wall on Jul 8, 2017 18:49:29 GMT
Check it, get it to the RT (or whoever is doing that now, maybe via Kaleidoscope) to be copied/restored and keeping quiet about it until that had been done. Then thoroughly enjoy both watching it and the pleasure it would give others - hopefully at an MBW session. How would one check it if the can was unlabeled or mislabeled? I know you'd have to look at the actual contents, but how could one do that without risking damage to the print? I think you've got to very carefully unwind it, maybe something on the leader. |
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Post by RWels on Jul 8, 2017 19:48:52 GMT
Even the leader can be a misleader, because any old piece of film can be reused for leader. Recently I found what appeared to be an episode of Lannigan's Rabbi, but unwinding past the leader revealed it to be A clear and present danger.
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