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Post by Richard Marple on Jan 16, 2017 18:10:24 GMT
I presume there aren't any off air recordings.
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Post by Richard Bignell on Jan 16, 2017 19:04:00 GMT
As already mentioned, there are audio recordings.
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Post by Hugh Pearson on Jan 16, 2017 19:14:54 GMT
I see from the DWAS Reference Journal that The Day of the Daleks compilation ran 60 minutes & 29 seconds and it was broadcast on on 3 Sep 1973 (BBC Cymru on 06-09-1973). There was a movie format VHS released in 1986 (re-released in 1988) for this story that ran "nearly 90 minutes". So, there are two different condensed versions that were done. It would be interesting to compare the two - is there any paperwork, like a PasB for that 1973 compilation Day of the Daleks still in existance? EDIT - upon reflection, the PasB wouldn't give us much information, see episodic one - www.bbc.co.uk/doctorwho/classic/episodeguide/pasb/dayofdaleks.pdf it would be a camera script, but of course that wouldn't exist for the compilation - any editing notes in existance? |
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Post by adamjordan on Jan 16, 2017 19:32:45 GMT
The original showing of The Sea Devils 88-minute compilation was on Wednesday 27 December 1972 and then shown again in place of the cricket on Monday 27 May 1974. I remember missing the '72 repeat as we had to go to an Aunt's house and I wasn't allowed to watch Dr Who there. Still rankles to this day. |
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Post by Richard Bignell on Jan 16, 2017 20:09:20 GMT
I see from the DWAS Reference Journal that The Day of the Daleks compilation ran 60 minutes & 29 seconds and it was broadcast on on 3 Sep 1973 (BBC Cymru on 06-09-1973). There was a movie format VHS released in 1986 (re-released in 1988) for this story that ran "nearly 90 minutes". So, there are two different condensed versions that were done. I'm not sure you could call the VHS version a compilation in the same sense as the 1973 version. In common with many early VHS releases, that was simply a matter of chopping out the opening and closing titles because they thought that no one would want to sit through all of those. The annotated Day of the Daleks camera scripts for the compilation still exist in the BBC's Written Archive. As with all the compilations, an audio recording also exists, although I've not found anyone who has that one as yet! |
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Post by Hugh Pearson on Jan 16, 2017 20:16:55 GMT
Cheers Richard! The annotated camera scripts for those four "lost" compilations would be the thing to consult. The math on the 4 episodes of Day of the Daleks puts them at around 96 minutes, so chopping those titles would do it  REPLY to Richard's note below - doh, blame it on my winter cold. The VHS movie version of Day ran nearly 90 minutes, which is what I was unclear about in my second sentence above |
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Post by Richard Bignell on Jan 16, 2017 20:45:48 GMT
The math on the 4 episodes of Day of the Daleks puts them at around 96 minutes, so chopping those titles would do it Not really. The Day compilation had a 60-minute slot, so around 36 minutes would need to be lost from the four episodes in total. |
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Post by scotttelfer on Jan 16, 2017 21:24:34 GMT
Does the original American broadcast omnibus of the Daemons still exist? Was it an edit that was made in the UK then sent to the USA? Interestingly enough the story is described in this months DWM (page 42 if you happen to have a copy). It was taped off air onto a rented Betamax on two hour-long tapes and was ultimately used in the colour restoration. |
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Post by Richard Marple on Jan 16, 2017 21:33:32 GMT
As already mentioned, there are audio recordings. I thought so, do these give us an idea of what material was edited out of the compilations. |
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Post by Robert Lia on Jan 16, 2017 21:53:38 GMT
There is more than one version of The Daemons that was recorded off the air in the United States, I have had a copy of it since like 1982 or 1983 and know the person who owned the original Betamax tape back then. I can say for the record in the copy I have there were no breaks in the recording to change tapes. The only break is after episode three KCET\ in Los Angeles ran a short intermission of a clock over some music while the promoted the upcoming repeat of The Prisoner.
I never e saw a copy of the other recording of The Daemons or have any idea which PBS station broadcast it r where it came from came from. It was shown in Los Angeles several times including in proper episode by episode sequence. The KCET omnibus repeat was the second time I saw the story and the first time I saw a feature length Doctor Who Movie on PBS. KCET would later show several more in the movie format inclosing The Curse of Peladon and The Mutants. These move versions were shown on a Saturday afternoon at 1 p.m. in 1976 and 1977
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Post by Jaspal Cheema on Jan 16, 2017 22:18:47 GMT
I remember the totally surprising and wonderful Dr Who and the Monsters season shown weekdays in the summer of 1982.The print of COP was an American NTSC copy if I remember and was acceptable to broadcast but still inferior to the DVD version we have now.Obviously the BBC didn't have the remastering technology they have now but I recorded it and must have watched it umpteen times.That also goes for the official VHS and now the DVD release. One of the best Dr Who stories ever made.
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Post by Robert Lia on Jan 16, 2017 22:38:30 GMT
I had a friend of mine in the UK record that season for me off air onto VHS SP PAL Yes you can tell the quality difference between the two episodes that exist as PAL masters and the two that were reconverted to PAL from NTSC.
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Post by Jaspal Cheema on Jan 16, 2017 23:18:19 GMT
I had a friend of mine in the UK record that season for me off air onto VHS SP PAL Yes you can tell the quality difference between the two episodes that exist as PAL masters and the two that were reconverted to PAL from NTSC. There were 3 stories repeated in that season - COP,Genesis and Earthshock IIRR. |
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Post by Robert Lia on Jan 17, 2017 0:52:29 GMT
No one in the USA, Canada or even Australia was interested in Genesis of the Daleks as it had been shown to death on assorted affricates of PBS, TV Ontario and the ABC over and over again. Earth Shock was interesting as if was in the 50 minute format. The Cures of Peladon was of interest as it was the chance to get an off air copy of 2 episodes in full PAL color.
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Post by Ed Brown on Jan 29, 2017 21:00:23 GMT
The Sea Devils 88-minute compilation was ... shown again in place of the cricket on Monday 27 May 1974. I think that might have been a Bank Holiday in 1974, as I remember seeing this compilation. From memory, I was off-school, on holiday. Which suggests it wasn't a normal working day. The BBC agree. That afternoon, Dr Who replaced 'Holiday Grandstand', which the Radio Times says was scheduled to run from 1.15pm, with Frank Bough, and cover a cricket match from Headingley (Yorkshire v Lancashire, the afternoon's play in the Roses Match): genome.ch.bbc.co.uk/schedules/bbcone/london/1974-05-27I can't specifically recall how long the running time of this repeat of The Sea Devils was, beyond a vague impression that it lasted most of the afternoon. Nor do I recall enough about it to comment on which bits might have been omitted in reducing its running time down to (if you say so) 90 minutes. Someone else mentioned The Daemons, regarding its omnibus repeat at Christmas 1971. Probably because it was Christmas, when the BBC used to have eons of screentime to fill due to suspension of normal programmes, my impression is that it was shown in full, and not edited at all for length - except possibly for the removal of opening and closing title sequences. Sadly, the BBC say it was shown in a 90 minute timeslot, from 4.20pm to 5.50pm: genome.ch.bbc.co.uk/schedules/bbcone/london/1971-12-28I have a similar memory for Planet of the Spiders, when it was repeated at Christmas 1974, the day before Tom Baker made his debut, i.e. that 'Spiders' was shown in full. Again, sadly, the BBC reveal that the repeat ran only 1 hour 45 minutes, from 2.45pm: genome.ch.bbc.co.uk/schedules/bbcone/london/1974-12-27 |
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