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Post by shellyharman67 on Mar 2, 2015 18:52:32 GMT
I liked MOONBASE I thought it was good. I didn't know that it flopped. Maybe this is why UM is taking so long to be released. I think fans would want it out now. I was just speculating that it might have flopped and that could be the reason behind the non appearance of the UM. I hope not too, a) I really enjoyed it and, b) as a completist Troughton fan I would really like the UM on the shelf with animated episodes. Like Shelly for reasons previously discussed I don't think I would buy a DVD of it with recon episodes though. Its only for the fact i have loose cannons one that there would be no point. That might be the reason why there is no dvd yet ! Maybe Moonbase did not do well, or just broke even. I
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Post by George D on Mar 2, 2015 19:44:43 GMT
Let's not assume anythIng about moon base. For all we know it did great
Also moon base did not have an un released episode which um dOes.
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Post by John W King on Mar 2, 2015 20:42:26 GMT
To put things in a bit of perspective. UM is not alone in awaiting release. The massively popular 1960s film "Half a Sixpence" is still awaiting Region 2 release as is "The Man From Uncle". The Adam West 1966 Batman TV series finally received a limited DVD R2 release just before Christmas. Thanks largely to Network the vast majority of ITV series have now been or are awaiting release. BBC just don't seem to be able to get their act together. it cannot be just a question of financial return and i don't buy the argument about the general public not buying incomplete stories. Why were Quatermass and Andromeda series released with huge chunks missing and not even animated or telesnaps to cover the missing sections. The UM situation is really quite bizarre. is some living person involved in the making of the episode witholding or quibbling over permission (as Terry Nation's estate did)? if so do we have to wait for 50 years to elapse i.e. until 2016? As Toyah once elequently put it - it-th a myst-thery.....
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Post by Alan Jeffries on Mar 2, 2015 21:38:10 GMT
I can't speak for Andromeda as I know next to nothing about it. But with Quatermass there were the two complete serials. The first two episodes were there because there is no hope ever of getting the rest. So that was the complete set of the BBC serials. As regards the BBC. Yes they are there to make money (Well Worldwide or whatever they call themselves these days is). But they are still dependent on the parent body. In real terms over the last few years their cash has fallen and they are forced to make savings. Closing of TVC and BBC3 is just two examples of this. The archive will not be immune to cuts and I would imagine that any product must be a sure to make a profit. Quatermass and Andromeda were released a number of years ago when more risks could be taken. These days they are more likely to make cash with Top Gear, New Who and Mrs Browns Boys than incomplete old Who. It's all about the Bean Counters.
Alan
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Post by Tony Ingram on Mar 3, 2015 7:12:31 GMT
No point in releasing it if its a recon only ! We all have that most likely anyway. Those i should say that like recons. Yes, but what we don't have is a (legal) copy of episode two. I would quite happily buy any release just to complete my collection.
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Post by George D on Mar 3, 2015 9:48:41 GMT
Let's hope they continue to find more so we can continue to evaluate the completeness of our collection.
Yes the omni rumor did not pan out. And enemy web is a hard act to follow, but it doesn't mean there aren't more out there.
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Post by shellyharman67 on Mar 3, 2015 17:45:52 GMT
No point in releasing it if its a recon only ! We all have that most likely anyway. Those i should say that like recons. Yes, but what we don't have is a (legal) copy of episode two. I would quite happily buy any release just to complete my collection. I guess the wait goes on. And bootleg copies will be the thing until they do release it. Right or wrong, thats life i guess..........
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Post by John Andersen on Mar 3, 2015 20:41:01 GMT
No point in releasing it if its a recon only ! We all have that most likely anyway. Those i should say that like recons. Yes, but what we don't have is a (legal) copy of episode two. I would quite happily buy any release just to complete my collection. Any release? I remember how ticked off you were when they put episode 3 of Galaxy Four on the DVD release of The Aztecs. Maybe they should do an Extra Special Edition of a surviving Troughton story and place episode 2 of The Underwater Menace on that. I am not sure you will still be happy in that case.
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Post by richardwoods on Mar 4, 2015 18:10:25 GMT
I can't speak for Andromeda as I know next to nothing about it. But with Quatermass there were the two complete serials. The first two episodes were there because there is no hope ever of getting the rest. So that was the complete set of the BBC serials. As regards the BBC. Yes they are there to make money (Well Worldwide or whatever they call themselves these days is). But they are still dependent on the parent body. In real terms over the last few years their cash has fallen and they are forced to make savings. Closing of TVC and BBC3 is just two examples of this. The archive will not be immune to cuts and I would imagine that any product must be a sure to make a profit. Quatermass and Andromeda were released a number of years ago when more risks could be taken. These days they are more likely to make cash with Top Gear, New Who and Mrs Browns Boys than incomplete old Who. It's all about the Bean Counters. Alan In the case of the Andromeda DVD the complete second series was included along with 1 1/2 episodes from the first series, with recons of the missing material.
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Post by George D on Mar 4, 2015 18:14:32 GMT
I would like a, recon of andromeda, 7. We have tele snaps, audio and clips. It was meant to be:)
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Post by Simeon Carter on Mar 5, 2015 10:20:03 GMT
This release has fallen through a series of unfortunate gaps as far as I see it. But now with no one to drive the range any more, and animation from Planet 55 no longer happening, it's just sitting there unreleased.
I don't see this getting the 'animation treatment' anymore and thus would rather have it on disc with recons. If this doesn't get released on DVD soon it probably never will and then all the hard work but into the restoration of Episode Two (particularly it's VidFiring which won't be present on any digital release it may receive), the two documentaries, the audio commentaries, the info text and anything else made for the release will never see the light of day.
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Post by shellyharman67 on Mar 5, 2015 14:57:12 GMT
This release has fallen through a series of unfortunate gaps as far as I see it. But now with no one to drive the range any more, and animation from Planet 55 no longer happening, it's just sitting there unreleased. I don't see this getting the 'animation treatment' anymore and thus would rather have it on disc with recons. If this doesn't get released on DVD soon it probably never will and then all the hard work but into the restoration of Episode Two (particularly it's VidFiring which won't be present on any digital release it may receive), the two documentaries, the audio commentaries, the info text and anything else made for the release will never see the light of day. Agree Simeon. Sadly agree.................
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Post by Nigel Lees on Mar 5, 2015 16:05:53 GMT
I've no idea if 'The Moonbase' was a good seller by vintage Dr Who DVD standards or not, but I for one didn't buy it as I have the two episodes on 'Lost In Time' and I'm not interested in animated cartoons of missing episodes, especially if the Moonbase episodes 1 and 3 are anything like 'The Tenth Planet' DVD episode 4 for example. Same applies for a potential release of 'The Crusade' with animated missing episodes, the surviving eps are on 'Lost In Time' so I'd stick with that! I thought the 'Galaxy Four' reconstruction that revolved around 'Airlock' was very good and I often get a lot of enjoyment from the Loose Cannon recons on Youtube - when BBC Worldwide haven't oddly and haphazardly had an episode or two removed on 'copyright grounds'that is - 'The Savages' and 'Fury From The Deep' being standouts amongst others. So If the BBC put out the 2 episodes of UM coupled with the Loose Cannon telesnap recons of eps 1 and 4 that would be absolutely fine by me, and would surely make it more financially viable as they wouldn't have to fork out thousands to animators. I know a fair few folks on here like animations (don't get it myself) but if that was now the main stumbling block in getting UM part 2 out on DVD, then forget about animated episodes BBC and lets see and hear 'The Underwater Menace' as soon as possible!
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Post by John Andersen on Mar 5, 2015 17:54:28 GMT
This release has fallen through a series of unfortunate gaps as far as I see it. But now with no one to drive the range any more, and animation from Planet 55 no longer happening, it's just sitting there unreleased. I don't see this getting the 'animation treatment' anymore and thus would rather have it on disc with recons. If this doesn't get released on DVD soon it probably never will and then all the hard work but into the restoration of Episode Two (particularly it's VidFiring which won't be present on any digital release it may receive), the two documentaries, the audio commentaries, the info text and anything else made for the release will never see the light of day. I am really wondering if the Omni-Rumor killed The Underwater Menace and The Crusade as DVD releases with animation. With reports by Bleeding Cool and DWO mentioning in 2013 that a large number of episodes had been found, many fans believed or hoped that more episodes were to come. The more time that goes by, it makes me wonder if anything else is coming. If everybody had known for sure that we would still be at 97 missing episodes seventeen months after The Enemy of the World and episodes 2,4,5,6 of The Web of Fear were released on iTunes, would we have had this amount of flip flopping and confusion concerning The Underwater Menace? The only way I can characterize what has happened over the last year concerning this release is disappointment.
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Post by Simeon Carter on Mar 5, 2015 18:16:17 GMT
This release has fallen through a series of unfortunate gaps as far as I see it. But now with no one to drive the range any more, and animation from Planet 55 no longer happening, it's just sitting there unreleased. I don't see this getting the 'animation treatment' anymore and thus would rather have it on disc with recons. If this doesn't get released on DVD soon it probably never will and then all the hard work but into the restoration of Episode Two (particularly it's VidFiring which won't be present on any digital release it may receive), the two documentaries, the audio commentaries, the info text and anything else made for the release will never see the light of day. I am really wondering if the Omni-Rumor killed The Underwater Menace and The Crusade as DVD releases with animation. With reports by Bleeding Cool and DWO mentioning in 2013 that a large number of episodes had been found, many fans believed or hoped that more episodes were to come. The more time that goes by, it makes me wonder if anything else is coming. If everybody had known for sure that we would still be at 97 missing episodes seventeen months after The Enemy of the World and episodes 2,4,5,6 of The Web of Fear were released on iTunes, would we have had this amount of flip flopping and confusion concerning The Underwater Menace? The only way I can characterize what has happened over the last year concerning this release is disappointment. I'm not so sure this is the fault of the Omni-Rumour, it's not like they couldn't release it again and people would have bought it. I think the issue with this release is it came about very late in the day, presumably the rest of the range had been planned and this was going to be tagged on at the end. It needed animation, as was standard with all incomplete stories, and that was planned. However when Planet55 fell through it was left in Limbo by which time Dan Hall had left. There was no one around to drive this release forward and get it out. In it's current state it's not releasable but now The Web of Fear has been released without animation it does strike me as odd the same couldn't happen here.
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