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Post by edhipkiss on Nov 23, 2014 13:59:35 GMT
I only discovered Jon's Doctor in 1993 through the UK Gold repeats and he quickly became one of my favourite Doctors. Has there ever been a more consistent series than series 7? Even though the stories (with the exception of Spearhead) were arguably too long there's not a duff storyline among the 4 for me. In fact there are very few bad stories in the whole of his run. Only The Mutants was awful IMO.
I've only voted for 3 so far (Ambassadors, Terror of The Autons & The Daemons) as I'm currently re-watching all the Pertwees. Up to Day of The Daleks and taking a short break to catch up on other stuff before returning to Curse of Peladon on Christmas Day. Frankly I could have just voted for all the Delgado stories - easily my all time favourite Who actor. Such a brilliant actor, so menacing and yet suave and charming at the same time. Such a huge loss to Who and the acting profession as a whole.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2014 19:02:58 GMT
We're back!
Seems Inferno is leading at the moment with The Dæmons second and Terror of the Autons third.
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Post by shellyharman67 on Nov 27, 2014 19:08:53 GMT
We're back! Seems Inferno is leading at the moment with The Dæmons second and Terror of the Autons third. I wonder if Phil Found this post in Africa ? it's back  |
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Post by stephenwit1 on Nov 28, 2014 19:50:27 GMT
Just got done watching THE DAEMONS for the first time.
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Post by johnbarbour on Nov 28, 2014 22:56:34 GMT
Just got done watching THE DAEMONS for the first time. ...and what did you think of it? It made quite an impact at the time and although it is still one of my favourite Dr Who stories some of the iconic scenes have lost some of their magic (!) and I say that whilst happily wallowing in nostalgia. Perhaps the villagers are no longer typical in the way that they would have been 40 years ago (obviously you say) but that is where the fear and suspense came from, seeing normal life twisted by the Master and his accolytes. I wonder how The Faceless Ones would fare now if seen in its entirety with its young 60's hip generation ...? Nothing I say detracts from my capacity to wallow in old b&w TV but I do think that some of the original suspense is lost when the (then) contemporary scenes are no longer of their time. Web of Fear gets away with it because the characters are fairly limited to types - the Army doesn't really change, nor does the cynical Press nor the old/upcoming scientists - and of course the TARDIS crew is meant to be out of their time anyway. Same goes for say Cybermen stories like Tomb, set in space, in another time and with future space travellers. But I think that Earth-bound stories show their age and lose a little of their scary factor when the setting and people are no longer "of our time" (no TV show or book can counter that). But for the avoidance of doubt, none of this pondering detracts from the joy of watching the 60s and Pertwee era - yes I know his was in colour but I saw it in b&w first time round so there... |
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Post by Paul McDermott on Nov 29, 2014 3:33:57 GMT
Appreciate the thread and it getting helped off The Cart (if you know your Python, as I'm sure we all do). For me, Pertwee was my equal first TV Doctor with Tom, though unlike Tom I didn't see all of his eps for a while. And I 'm pretty sure equal first Target novel Doctor too, along with Hartnell. Linx on the cover of The Time Warrior was always a nice image, I thought!  Looking back on the era now, I have mixed feelings about it. The marvel of the TARDIS seemed to have been deliberately made less wonderful by keeping it in dry dock for years, which I thought was a daft move. Verity had qualms about the 3rd Doctor being a little too cozy with the mucky-mucks, and I have to agree with her. Hartnell would and did get up anyone's nose if he felt like it, and Troughton's disarming raggamuffin persona was both a shrewd reinvention of the Time Lord apart from the rest of us and a very clever way to engage viewers who wanted a different, more welcoming Doctor for whom convention was anathema. Making Pertwee's model a sort of marooned Quatermass-Adam Adamant type surrounded by Whitehall fatheads and military idiots sort of took away more than we gained, I thought. And like Star Trek, each story more or less reset the build of character development between the lead and the extended cast in uniform. And I do understand why, of course - otherwise he'd probably have wound up sharing his cell with the Master. But again, I think this suggests Who is less viable made this way.  And the cozy UNIT family was rather dissimilar to what I think was better about the more gritty approach we saw in Camfield's handling of such material a little before the switch to colour. If there was a higher turnover due to casualties and the like, it'd have offered more of that stark realism and jeopardy I think Sherwin had in mind by having things happen here on Earth. As Pertwee said of Delgado's Master (a figure whom, like Courtney's Brig, is forever associated in my mind with the best the show had to offer at this time - even if their usage onscreen weren't always in the best interest of the actors or characters), if he keeps failing at doing evil schemes, isn't he a bit feeble? And in Season 8, they ought to have bumped Pertwee from the titles and put Delgado there - it was a bit silly to overuse him like that, when that was the inevitable outcome. Years and years of no evil Time Lord renegade, then suddenly it's nothing but every day and he never wins once!  There's some lovely UNIT stuff in Season 7, and I especially like lots of Ambassadors. Yet more often than not, I think the stories in the era are a bit too long. The increase in 4 parters in subsequent eras for the most part to me seemed a better approach. Stories I quite like I think would have been much better if they were plotted a little tighter, with the savings put toward making other eps.  One of the sad things about the Pertwee era, I think, has to do with the evolution of the companion. I like all three of his offsiders, and they each brought something special and different to the part. Yet for mine, I think Carrie John got a raw deal. Look at her moxie in Ambassadors. She's not just smart, she's gutsy. She's not just emancipated, she doesn't need to bang on about it as Liz Sladen had to in Monster. There's tonal variation in her personality, she can be both serious and comical without being strident or a goofball. Yet she can still get fooled and tricked when thinking the better of others (including the Doctor) as Jo would come to do. I think Barry and Terrance were still crunching gears throughout the Pertwee era, and you could see they were trying to do more and better, both in making the Doctor less landlocked and in doing more with the companion. I just think they already had a solid character and co-star. If Liz Shaw had another season, instead of vanishing offscreen unlike Jo and Sarah Jane, it would have added more to the show, by letting her grow with it. Instead she never even got the full flavour of life aboard the TARDIS. How might she have responded to events depicted in Colony In Space or Day of the Daleks, say. Alas!  |
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Post by Paul McDermott on Nov 29, 2014 13:40:31 GMT
Another thought re the Pertwee era that occurs to me after recently watching Matt Smith's run: If the idea was to have the 3rd Doctor bundled from the off with Jo, and he was to have been wandering about with a guitar (as was apparently mooted in the early stages, given Jon's talents), he could have offered a pretty on-point 70s counterculture iconoclast. Imagine if he'd tumbled out of the TARDIS, at the start of Spearhead, and just like the 11th Doctor in his first few minutes, locked eyes on his new companion - not a UNIT secret agent in training, exactly, but maybe, a kid with good intentions and big ideas, out picking wildflowers in the wood. I could see how the interplay between them would have been less paternalistic and more like the sort of guru and disciple, except as ever the Doctor would mix science and sense amidst the poetic flourishes. It'd surely have jangled nerves and maybe would have dated faster than what we got. But it struck me as an amusing What If. An older, smarter and more worldly alien sort of Number 48 as seen in The Prisoner's final ep, Fall Out, perhaps. So instead of using bluster or shouting, music or laughter or sly quips would pop the bubble of the intransigent. Venusian lullabies could have been just the tip of a groovy freakout - perhaps with different joke endings like the Brig wanting to know how to petition the Time Lords to commute the Doctor's sentence so he can leave him to his serious soldiering, or the Master finding his immaculate attire has been "improved" by the Doctor as a nose tweak to remind him that he should chill out and stop fighting losing battles!  |
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Post by stephenwit1 on Nov 29, 2014 15:02:55 GMT
I enjoy THE DAEMONS very much. I love the location shootings it felt eerie and scary, weird and wonderful at the same time. It would have been in the same kind of category as THE X-FILES.
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Post by stephenwit1 on Nov 29, 2014 15:13:37 GMT
Caroline John was pregnant so She was not able to continue her role on DOCTOR WHO. There are BIG FINISH stories that she appeared in that continues her time with THE DOCTOR.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2014 18:13:17 GMT
What I find very amusing about The Dæmons is the story of a viewer complaining to the BBC about them supposedly destroying a church but in fact it was a model of the church destroyed and not the actual church.
The Dæmons gets top marks for model making anyway.
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Post by shellyharman67 on Nov 29, 2014 19:04:09 GMT
What I find very amusing about The Dæmons is the story of a viewer complaining to the BBC about them supposedly destroying a church but in fact it was a model of the church destroyed and not the actual church. The Dæmons gets top marks for model making anyway. It is kind of easy to spot it's a model. But great stuff  |
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Post by Richard Bignell on Nov 30, 2014 0:06:42 GMT
It's not even a model. It's just a photographic enlargement of the church!
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Post by Paul McDermott on Nov 30, 2014 5:32:29 GMT
It's not even a model. It's just a photographic enlargement of the church! Perhaps those viewers who mistook it for the real thing hadn't been to a church in a while, and just assumed they were all much squarer and flatter than is generally understood today? |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 4, 2014 17:15:53 GMT
Spearhead from Space and Terror of the Autons both tied for third place.
Two very good stories. The Autons are one of my favourite monsters.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 7, 2014 9:18:27 GMT
1. Inferno
2. The Daemons
3. Terror of the Autons
4. Spearhead from Space
5. The Silurians
6. The Green Death
6. The Three Doctors
8. The Time Warrior
8. The Sea Devils
10. The Curse of Peladon
11. The Ambassadors of Death
12. Day of the Daleks
12. Carnival of Monsters
14. The Mind of Evil
14. Planet of the Spiders
14. Planet of the Daleks
17. The Claws of Axos
17. Invasion of the Dinosaurs
19. Frontier in Space
20. The Mutants
21. The Time Monster
22. Death to the Daleks
22. Colony in Space
22. The Monster of Peladon
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