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Post by John W King on Oct 27, 2014 20:13:27 GMT
First - I am absolutely nothing to do with the BBC, Radio Times or BBC GENOME.
When I read in Radio Times (25 - 31 Oct) on page 168 I read the exciting news about BBC GENOME I wanted to share it with all of you as I strongly feel ALL members of this forum, any one interested in past TV/Radio would want to know about BBC GENOME.
The aim of this site is to reproduce all BBC TV/Radio programme listings from 1923 to the present day!
There is even a space to add additional comments/information about programmes.
STOP! STOP!
Before you rush of and add your random comments can I suggest we add comments in a logical, standard format.
In this I seek advice from the controllers of the missing episodes forum
Here is the opportunity to add to BBC GENOME whether a programme is in existence in the BBC Archive or missing.
Can I suggest to the controllers we might want to record something like - EiA = Exists in Archive (date comment entered)
MfA = Missing from Archive (date comment entered) SoA = Soundtrack only in Archive (date comment entered)
comments should also have the author's name
This should cover future discovering of programmes.
This site is going to prove to be an excellent research tool.
e.g. Go to 22 Nov 1963 to see what would have been on BBC had Kennedy not been assasinated. Perhaps some one with accurate knowledge should up date the comments to detail what was actually screened?
On another thread I was desperately trying to remember a hospital programme for child patients that repeated the dalek battle from Evil of the Daleks episode 7. If you see that thread I have used BBC GENOME to indentify what I believe that programme it may have been.
another example
I had distant memories of a french series broad cast in summer 1962. I have always thought it was called something like Bel et Cristobel but all enquiries drew a blank. Using BBC GENOME I have now found it was called Cristobal and Company, in 12 parts, repeated in 1963.
more
Triton - first shown in1961 and repeated in 1962 remade and shown in 1968 repeated 1969
Long Way Home - 1960, 1961,1968
Chem lab Mystery - 1963
I could go on. The Radio Times were plugging BBC GENOME to readers as a way for readers to find out what was on TV/Radio the day the reader was born. I am using it as a post dated diary of my life.
e.g. I missed ep.5 of Chem Lab Mystery because I was in a car accident, I missed eps. 2 Triton (1961) because I was at charity cricket match.
Anyway - take a look for yourselves and see what you can find. Good luck and enjoy.
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Post by John Green on Oct 27, 2014 20:44:37 GMT
Thanks,John.Small point,but I've never understood those "the day you were born" cards/newspapers/CDs/etc.Who's going to say "Oh yes! I remember that so well!"?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 27, 2014 20:50:24 GMT
(Threads merged).
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Post by John W King on Oct 27, 2014 21:29:21 GMT
Laurence, thanks for merging threads on this subject. As a side issue up until 2001 I owned every issue of Radio Times and TV Times (midlands) from 1975 to 2001. When I moved in 2001 I had no room to store them so I gave them to a Mr Rob Moss (same Rob who contributes to this site?).
I really have had fun with this site even if it is still being developed.
I see other contributors to this thread have been unable to find certain programmes. The data base still has holes in it but sometimes you need to use lateral thinking.
As you can see I have been able to identify some fairly obscure programmes.
When trying to find the children's hospital programme with Evil of Daleks clip I thought it was Meet the Kids hosted by Rolf Harris.
searching on Meet the Kids hosted by Leslie Crowther 1965 then Rolf 1969, 1970, 1971.
My recollection was of a broadcast in 1968. Searching on Rolf Harris produced so many programmes I gave up searching. I had worked out the programme was broadcast probably May 1968, possibly Friday. So then it was a question of meticulously search BBC GENOME records for May 1968 focusing on fridays. Lo and behold, eventually I got what I believe is a result.
so my tip is wri te down all memories you have of the programme you are trying to find and work your way through possiblities.
It also worked for Cristobal and Company - a programme I can find no record of else where and only had the faintest of memories from early 1960s. Until I searched BBC GENOME I doubted whether this programme actually existed.
p.s. is it still in existence in an archive?
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Post by John Green on Oct 27, 2014 22:01:55 GMT
There's handy.When I google 'Cristobal and Company',I can go straight to one of the Gnome pages! I know it must seem obvious,but I still don't understand how this worldwide net works...
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Post by John Green on Oct 27, 2014 22:09:24 GMT
Laurence, thanks for merging threads on this subject. As a side issue up until 2001 I owned every issue of Radio Times and TV Times (midlands) from 1975 to 2001. When I moved in 2001 I had no room to store them so I gave them to a Mr Rob Moss (same Rob who contributes to this site?). I really have had fun with this site even if it is still being developed. I see other contributors to this thread have been unable to find certain programmes. The data base still has holes in it but sometimes you need to use lateral thinking. As you can see I have been able to identify some fairly obscure programmes. When trying to find the children's hospital programme with Evil of Daleks clip I thought it was Meet the Kids hosted by Rolf Harris. searching on Meet the Kids hosted by Leslie Crowther 1965 then Rolf 1969, 1970, 1971. My recollection was of a broadcast in 1968. Searching on Rolf Harris produced so many programmes I gave up searching. I had worked out the programme was broadcast probably May 1968, possibly Friday. So then it was a question of meticulously search BBC GENOME records for May 1968 focusing on fridays. Lo and behold, eventually I got what I believe is a result. so my tip is wri te down all memories you have of the programme you are trying to find and work your way through possiblities. It also worked for Cristobal and Company - a programme I can find no record of else where and only had the faintest of memories from early 1960s. Until I searched BBC GENOME I doubted whether this programme actually existed. p.s. is it still in existence in an archive? John,if it was this: www.imdb.com/title/tt0168403/?ref_=nm_flmg_act_8 it was in 13 parts originally. boutique.ina.fr/video/fictions-et-animations/feuilletons-et-series/PACK613920505/le-tresor-des-13-maisons.fr.html |
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Post by Christopher Perry on Oct 28, 2014 7:46:37 GMT
Hi John, www.lostshows.com should help you check out if shows are missing or not. But please don't worry - or indeed try - to bombard the BBC with queries about missing episodes. The next stage of Genome is to add archive holdings into the same data-set so it will tell you what exists or not. It's a big job data-wise and taking them some time to figure it out. Kaleidoscope are working with the BBC to ensure that the archive data makes sense when it arrives eg clips and partial sequences are explained as such. For now, please just send corrections. The guys haven't got time to reply to queries, they are busy correcting the data-set. Thanks Chris |
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Post by Barry Hodge on Oct 28, 2014 19:48:14 GMT
Pleased the holdings will be highlighted. I've been searching for various series on there, and editing as I go, especially when certain episodes have their titlesalljoinedup, as it were, and are therefore unfindable... There seen to be a lot of 70s radio entries like this.
Shame there are no listings for World Service (I thought RT used to have this information), and there's a lot of information missing - 'see top panel' doesn't really help!
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Post by David Huggins on Oct 28, 2014 22:52:11 GMT
Pleased the holdings will be highlighted. I've been searching for various series on there, and editing as I go, especially when certain episodes have their titlesalljoinedup, as it were, and are therefore unfindable... There seen to be a lot of 70s radio entries like this. Shame there are no listings for World Service (I thought RT used to have this information), and there's a lot of information missing - 'see top panel' doesn't really help! Regarding the World Service archive - the link below might be of interest. It's free to register and you can search their library of programmes & add help to add metadata to their collection. It seems similar to Genome in that the project is open to contributions from the public. worldservice.prototyping.bbc.co.uk |
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Post by Dan S on Oct 29, 2014 0:55:03 GMT
Hi John, www.lostshows.com should help you check out if shows are missing or not. But please don't worry - or indeed try - to bombard the BBC with queries about missing episodes. The next stage of Genome is to add archive holdings into the same data-set so it will tell you what exists or not. It's a big job data-wise and taking them some time to figure it out. Kaleidoscope are working with the BBC to ensure that the archive data makes sense when it arrives eg clips and partial sequences are explained as such. For now, please just send corrections. The guys haven't got time to reply to queries, they are busy correcting the data-set. Thanks Chris I've noticed some titles are within single quotes, and are unfindable unless you add the quotes to the search. Would it be acceptable to submit a correction with the quotes removed, or would this be rejected as above and beyond what they're looking for? I think there'll be many many titles like this so it'd perhaps be easier if the search was improved to ignore punctuation. Also the ability to display the results in chronological order would be useful too. Also the days of the week across the top don't extend far enough, they need to extend one more day in both directions to make it easier to jump to the following/previous week. |
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Post by Barry Hodge on Oct 29, 2014 10:37:26 GMT
Regarding the World Service archive - the link below might be of interest. It's free to register and you can search their library of programmes & add help to add metadata to their collection. It seems similar to Genome in that the project is open to contributions from the public. worldservice.prototyping.bbc.co.ukThanks for reminding me about that one, but I remember the dates and times on there are wildly inaccurate - as a friendly researcher linked to it assured me. Some are broadcast dates, some are recording dates, some are archival dates of some sort, some are... well, made up. That's why I was hoping to be able to cross-reference. I was a 'member' on there during the first few months - back when you could still 'access' the full content  |
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Post by Barry Hodge on Oct 29, 2014 10:45:28 GMT
I've noticed some titles are within single quotes, and are unfindable unless you add the quotes to the search. Would it be acceptable to submit a correction with the quotes removed, or would this be rejected as above and beyond what they're looking for? I think there'll be many many titles like this so it'd perhaps be easier if the search was improved to ignore punctuation. Also the ability to display the results in chronological order would be useful too. Also the days of the week across the top don't extend far enough, they need to extend one more day in both directions to make it easier to jump to the following/previous week. I've been editing punctuation all over the place, so I think that's a valid waste/use of our time if it helps a search. It does display in chronological order if you click the 'oldest/newest first' tabs - and of course you can choose which channel you want to search on by clicking the station's logo, though you probably knew that. Happily, I've been able to track down all but two of the files I've searched for - these probably being mistitled many, many years ago. Re. the days of the week - yes, I agree with you, and it can cause unwanted diversions as you get lost in the text...  |
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Post by Stephen Doran on Oct 29, 2014 11:05:52 GMT
Just been looking at the 90s bbc2 repeats of the fugitive which i used to record but used the same vhs tape over again to save money.
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Post by Andrew Walmsley on Oct 29, 2014 12:29:45 GMT
It will certainly be a great free resource in research when dating stuff from tapes such as the clip i had on an audio tape from 1982 of Python on BBC1, which i have tied down now to the minute! youtu.be/MnO6v8XXei4Andrew |
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Post by Dan S on Oct 29, 2014 13:56:25 GMT
It does display in chronological order if you click the 'oldest/newest first' tabs Ah! I see it now! "Order results by: Relevance Oldest first Newest first" Has that been there from the beginning? I swear I never saw that until you prompted me to look! |
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