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Post by Brad Phipps on Jul 21, 2014 22:09:05 GMT
Regardless, Phil's information doesn't negate at all material being in Sierra Leone in 1999, although of course during any research you evaluate and re-evaluate incoming information and sources to get as close to the truth as possible. "Isn't that what I just said? With a brain like mine who needs computers?" (brownie points for whoever gets that quote)
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Post by Simon Collis on Jul 21, 2014 22:20:41 GMT
"Isn't that what I just said? With a brain like mine who needs computers?" (brownie points for whoever gets that quote) You said it. Just now. Me win! Me win! /edit: apologies, I'm in a silly mood tonight...
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Post by George D on Jul 21, 2014 22:29:04 GMT
Thank you for sharing your thoughts and valuable insights. Perhaps some sl were returned in1974 and some destroyed in1999. I'm curious if you feel phils response has caused you to reconsider or if this might be an area where you both may have different views.
I have come to the conclusion that in the dr who community there is a lot of politics and unique people.
It appears that many feel that Phil has some things in motion that could lead to some returned material. We will all celebrate if there is truth to this. And therefore I don't press and Wish godspeed.
What people would feel most comfortable with is an estimated time period Phil expects for this series of leads. Wheather months, years, or decades.
However if people say things to get attention,many will not be happy but it will still be hard to complain if the person has done good for the cause.
What will come out of this I don't know and understand I'm not supposed to know. . And that's ok.
My thanks for the added Info you shared and all you've done and I wish all the best.
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Post by Paul Vanezis on Jul 21, 2014 22:58:37 GMT
Thank you for sharing your thoughts and valuable insights. Perhaps some sl were returned in1974 and some destroyed in1999. I'm curious if you feel phils response has caused you to reconsider or if this might be an area where you both may have different views. I have come to the conclusion that in the dr who community there is a lot of politics and unique people. It appears that many feel that Phil has some things in motion that could lead to some returned material. We will all celebrate if there is truth to this. And therefore I don't press and Wish godspeed. What people would feel most comfortable with is an estimated time period Phil expects for this series of leads. Wheather months, years, or decades. However if people say things to get attention,many will not be happy but it will still be hard to complain if the person has done good for the cause. What will come out of this I don't know and understand I'm not supposed to know. . And that's ok. My thanks for the added Info you shared and all you've done and I wish all the best. There are first hand accounts of screenings in the mid 1980's of DW. From the description it could be 'The Savages'. Jon Preddle pointed out that it could also indicate a screening of 'The Monster of Peladon' which was also screened in Sierra Leone. Other circumstantial evidence points to film cans of DW being there in 1992 which couldn't be 'Monster of Peladon' because no film recording copies of that serial were ever made, hence the theory that it must relate to the lost Hartnells. Then there was more specific information which came my way, but still circumstantial. In those cases, you take a view and use the best information that you have and draw a conclusion from that. Regarding Philip, he is the most dedicated person to his job that I know and doggedly follows up every lead. If he does track down anything else, it will be because he has put the effort in. He is fully deserving of any plaudits he gets, as are all the other guys who have tracked down lost material. Paul
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Post by Brad Phipps on Jul 21, 2014 23:16:42 GMT
There are first hand accounts of screenings in the mid 1980's of DW. From the description it could be 'The Savages'. Are these from Sierra Leoneons or traveling Britons (et al) at the time?
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Post by Nicholas Fitzpatrick on Jul 21, 2014 23:24:12 GMT
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Post by Marty Schultz on Jul 21, 2014 23:38:19 GMT
Paul. Are you aware of the unsalvagable Pertwee episode? Can you elaborate on the particulars and/or if any more were discovered?
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Post by Neil Lambess on Jul 22, 2014 7:59:14 GMT
Thank you for sharing your thoughts and valuable insights. Perhaps some sl were returned in1974 and some destroyed in1999. I'm curious if you feel phils response has caused you to reconsider or if this might be an area where you both may have different views. I have come to the conclusion that in the dr who community there is a lot of politics and unique people. It appears that many feel that Phil has some things in motion that could lead to some returned material. We will all celebrate if there is truth to this. And therefore I don't press and Wish godspeed. What people would feel most comfortable with is an estimated time period Phil expects for this series of leads. Wheather months, years, or decades. However if people say things to get attention,many will not be happy but it will still be hard to complain if the person has done good for the cause. What will come out of this I don't know and understand I'm not supposed to know. . And that's ok. My thanks for the added Info you shared and all you've done and I wish all the best. There are first hand accounts of screenings in the mid 1980's of DW. From the description it could be 'The Savages'. Jon Preddle pointed out that it could also indicate a screening of 'The Monster of Peladon' which was also screened in Sierra Leone. Other circumstantial evidence points to film cans of DW being there in 1992 which couldn't be 'Monster of Peladon' because no film recording copies of that serial were ever made, hence the theory that it must relate to the lost Hartnells. Then there was more specific information which came my way, but still circumstantial. In those cases, you take a view and use the best information that you have and draw a conclusion from that. Regarding Philip, he is the most dedicated person to his job that I know and doggedly follows up every lead. If he does track down anything else, it will be because he has put the effort in. He is fully deserving of any plaudits he gets, as are all the other guys who have tracked down lost material. Paul Thanks Paul I geuss , In the end , the Scientific method always works best over time to prove / disprove any theory , and we should always keep an open mind on the possibilities , ( theres always the Hypothesis / possibility that stuff was cycled onto Sierra Leone post 1974 returns , and that the paperwork for it no longer exists ....) one thing ive found is there are no "absolutes" when it comes to missing episodes. Im sure there will be more surprises ahead
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Post by Alan Jeffries on Jul 22, 2014 11:11:16 GMT
"Isn't that what I just said? With a brain like mine who needs computers?"
Blake's 7 - Probably Avon. He was the most smug.......
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Post by Brad Phipps on Jul 22, 2014 21:05:15 GMT
"Isn't that what I just said? With a brain like mine who needs computers?" Blake's 7 - Probably Avon. He was the most smug....... Vila, in the episode 'Terminal'.
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Post by Alan Jeffries on Jul 22, 2014 21:47:15 GMT
AUUUUGH!
So very close................
hehehe
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Post by Robert Lia on Jul 22, 2014 23:28:26 GMT
All we can do is wait and hope for the best, until the episode or episodes are announced they simply dont exist. Phil may have some leads on where some Doctor Who or other shows may be located and no doubt he does not want to announce it to the world as he no doubt would not want the fans bombarding "Radio Free Uganda" or what ever station might have the films at this time.
After all look what happened in Chinese Taipei (Taiwan)
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Post by dennywilson on Jul 23, 2014 8:34:41 GMT
...But one particular person was vindictive enough to make a point of junking material and gloating about it, despite the protestations of his co-workers. He was reprimanded. Yes, he did junk returned Doctor Who although nobody knows if it was material that is currently missing.... All these years and now we find out some vindictive psychopath was destroying material after the order came down to Enterprises from the F&TVL to no longer junk material! Any reason known why? Sounds like a personal vendetta to me...
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Post by Simon Jailler on Jul 23, 2014 12:25:14 GMT
Good to hear from Paul V in this thread.
It clears up so much cr@p that gets posted elsewhere.
Can anyone explain please what an audition print is ?
I'm getting thoroughly confused between whether it's films, tape and/or prints being exported overseas but then learning more about all of this is one of the reasons I visit this Forum.
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