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Post by cjones on May 25, 2014 19:46:43 GMT
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Post by John Green on May 25, 2014 19:57:18 GMT
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Post by shellyharman67 on May 25, 2014 19:59:26 GMT
UMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM
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Post by Richard Bignell on May 25, 2014 20:02:27 GMT
In all probability, this is one of the illicit 16mm duplicates made during the 1980s rather than being a genuine BBC Enterprises print. It's certainly one of the episodes known to be duplicated in this period.
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Post by Richard Tipple on May 25, 2014 23:00:08 GMT
Regardless of whether it's a dupe or not (most couldn't tell or care less tbh) 16mm Doctor Who goes for a premium. I hope it encourages more to come forward.. If it was a Hartnell I'd probably go for it myself,
Good to see stuff like this surfacing. My gut tells me it's price tag is a little high as a starting point but its certainly a sought after item.
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Post by Marty Schultz on May 25, 2014 23:02:01 GMT
Regardless of whether it's a dupe or not (most couldn't tell or care less tbh) 16mm Doctor Who goes for a premium. I hope it encourages more to come forward.. If it was a Hartnell I'd probably go for it myself, Good to see stuff like this surfacing. My gut tells me it's price tag is a little high as a starting point but its certainly a sought after item. So that's a decent ballpark figure to start bidding on? i.e. It's not LUDICROUSLY high. I'm interested.
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Post by Simon Collis on May 25, 2014 23:28:37 GMT
Wow... at that price I'd be scared to put it on the projector. But that said, let's hope that brings out a few others... something might turn up
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Post by Richard Bignell on May 25, 2014 23:30:58 GMT
Regardless of whether it's a dupe or not (most couldn't tell or care less tbh) 16mm Doctor Who goes for a premium. Just from a personal point of view, I think it's very relevant though. If this is one of the 1980s dupes (and given the episode in question, I think it's highly likely), it means that it's not an original BBC Enterprises film print, but a later copy (one of several) made by an individual to sell purely for profit. It's a bit like buying a William Hartnell autograph and finding yourself getting a photocopy. Visually it's the same, but the difference is vast. Whilst you might pay a premium for a bona fide original, the value of a copy is always going to be far less as it's not the genuine article.
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Post by Simon Collis on May 25, 2014 23:43:05 GMT
I agree that a copy wouldn't be as valuable, but I just had a thought - presumably there would be no good reason for the BBC to acquire this? There's no known censor cuts in the BBC version that might not be present in the copy, for example? Or is the print that the BBC hold known to be another of the copies?
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Post by Richard Bignell on May 25, 2014 23:46:06 GMT
I agree that a copy wouldn't be as valuable, but I just had a thought - presumably there would be no good reason for the BBC to acquire this? There's no known censor cuts in the BBC version that might not be present in the copy, for example? Or is the print that the BBC hold known to be another of the copies? The copies were made from the BBC originals, so they'd be the same. The copies in the archive were smuggled out by the BBC employee concerned, copy negatives professionally made and multiple copies run off and sold.
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Post by Simon Collis on May 25, 2014 23:50:55 GMT
The copies were made from the BBC originals, so they'd be the same. The copies in the archive were smuggled out by the BBC employee concerned, copy negatives professionally made and multiple copies run off and sold. Ah, thanks.
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Post by Marty Schultz on May 26, 2014 0:31:43 GMT
Regardless of whether it's a dupe or not (most couldn't tell or care less tbh) 16mm Doctor Who goes for a premium. Just from a personal point of view, I think it's very relevant though. If this is one of the 1980s dupes (and given the episode in question, I think it's highly likely), it means that it's not an original BBC Enterprises film print, but a later copy (one of several) made by an individual to sell purely for profit. It's a bit like buying a William Hartnell autograph and finding yourself getting a photocopy. Visually it's the same, but the difference is vast. Whilst you might pay a premium for a bona fide original, the value of a copy is always going to be far less as it's not the genuine article. Actually that's a very good point about the origins of a dupe. I hadn't thought of that.
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Post by Brad Phipps on May 26, 2014 3:05:42 GMT
Why does their photo come from episode 6...?
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Post by shellyharman67 on May 26, 2014 6:07:43 GMT
Any pics of the film and can itself ?
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Post by Kelly Davies on May 26, 2014 14:52:23 GMT
Isnt selling a pirated copy illegal?
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