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Post by ashleywood on May 15, 2018 14:02:22 GMT
A few more additions / notes on guests scheduled, mostly from the pages of NME - Joe Brown was in the house band from the first episode - he was fired and reinstated possibly on September 18th. Johnny Cash tele-recorded his second appearance (originally pencilled in for 31st October broadcast) which seems to have been aired on 10 October. The Sept 18th recording for this episode may well have been the occasion where Joe Brown recalled - "All I had to do was go dink, donk while Johnny sang, 'How high's the water, Momma?'" So, halfway through the second verse, I try a little do-wing dinga ding among the dink donks. And Cash stops singing. 'Hold it,' he says, and there's this almighty hush.Slowly he turns until his eyes alight on me. 'Joe,' he drawls, 'thar'll be no pickin' thar.'?" Brown was fired at the end of the day. Johnny Cash saw him sitting alone and devastated and asked what was wrong and Brown told him he'd been fired because of this. Cash got him his job back and when he returned to America, sent Brown some cowboy boots.
Sept 19 - Michael Cox may have been another guest. Sept 26 - this episode was tele-recorded. Oct 10 - this was probably the Johnny Cash episode referred to above, tele-recorded on Sept 18th. Oct 31 - this show was tele-recorded on Oct 16th. NME has Mort Shuman and Doc Pomus appearing (possibly not in a performance, just an interview?) and notes that a future edition will be built around their songs. Nov 21 - this episode was prob. tele-recorded on the 13th November. December 5 - tele-recorded 27th November ? Joyce Wilde came out of the Vernons Girls to be introduced by Marty Wilde. May have sang a song with him ? Jan 2 - Laurie London Jan 9 - Davy Jones Jan 16 - Michael Cox Jan 23 - Tele-recorded week before, Billy Fury is a series regular from this episode to end of series. Jan 30 - Davy Jones ? Otis Blackwell did not appear due to illness and his place was taken by Doc Pomus. Feb 6 - Otis Blackwell due to appear but probably cancelled as per previous episode ?? Feb 20 - Peter Wynne Feb 27 - tele-recorded on Feb 19th. David Winter may also have appeared. March 5 - No additional guests. Marty Wilde featured continuously either solo or with other members of the regular cast (now including Billy Fury)
Without access to show scripts or recordings, it's hard to be accurate. Guests were sometimes scheduled/announced but moved or cancelled and as Simon noted, TV Times does not always carry a full cast list.. Many of the American guests taped an additional show for later broadcast, often the day before their first broadcast live appearance. It's not clear whether they'd perform just their songs or if a whole episode was recorded in one go but I get the impression that entire episodes were recorded rather than individual guest spots. At a rough guess I’d estimate that I know of at least a couple of hours existing in audio form. Rockstar Records brilliant Boy Meets Girls TV Shows Vol. 1 features the complete shows from Jan 16th and 23rd as well as tracks by Ronnie Hawkins and Gene Vincent and Johnny Cash. Where’s Vol. 2 chaps ?? Collectors tapes feature many additional performances and I know of at least one other show that exists complete as off air audio. Rockstar Records have also released several performances by Eddie Cochran and Gene Vincent. I’d certainly recommend chasing up these Rockstar Records releases. I’ve not conducted a full nerdy analysis of all the Boy Meets Girls recordings but it could be possible (SPECULATION) that several hours (maybe as many as 5 or 6 ??) exist in total which equates to nearly half the episodes. Rockstar Records were planning on releasing a volume 2 and it would be very interesting to know what other tapes they and others have that have not been issued at the present time. That they were able to include a track by Cash and Hawkins suggests they have at least two more shows and there are more from Cochran and Vincent's episodes too. As mentioned elsewhere, I read in one of Jack Good's Disc Weekly columns that the entire series was destroyed within months of broadcast - Good states he was told this by ABC TV when he asked about re-showing some of the episodes featuring Eddie Cochran. The audio released by Rockstar Records was kept by engineer "Big" Ron Parker who worked on the show. Big hand for big Ron...... While episodes of Oh Boy were shown in the States (re-edited to feature Brenda Lee as host ?) and may be lying around gathering dust (??), it is not thought that either Boy Meets Girls or Wham!! were shown elsewhere making recoveries highly unlikely.
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Post by ashleywood on May 15, 2018 7:27:15 GMT
Thanks for that Simon....Wham ! ! was no.97 in the missing 100. I have to say that the April 30th episode would be my pick of the bunch - live performances by Billy Fury, Vince Taylor and Johnny Kidd and The Pirates.
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Post by ashleywood on May 14, 2018 15:04:34 GMT
To compliment the new thread on Boy Meets Girls, here's some info on Jack Good's 3rd and final ABC-TV series.
Wham ! ! A Fistful Of Songs - ABC Television 1960.
April 3rd or 8th and 9th 1960, trial recordings for closed circuit broadcast. These are used as tests for some of the artists and effectively as unbroadcast pilots. Rehearsals for these dummy recordings began on March 21st. Shows took place at ABC Television Studios in Manchester.
Appearing in every episode - Billy Fury, Joe Brown, Jess Conrad, Little Tony, The Vernons Girls, The Fat Noise (aka Jack Good's Fat Noise). Compere - Keith Fordyce Artists played only one song each per show, possibly for the series duration (April 23rd 1960 to June 18th 1960, nine programmes). Shows were broadcast at 18.00 and were just under 30 minutes.
april 23 Johnny Carson, The Four Jays, Dickie Pride
april 30 Richard Allan, Cuddly Dudley, Johnny Kidd and The Pirates, Vince Taylor, Peter Wynne. - for this edition (or possibly his later appearance on June 4th), Kidd wore an eye patch following Jack Good's suggestion. Kidd also took part in one of the dummy trial runs - the eye patch suggestion may have happened then.
may 7 The Flee-Rekkers, Gill Gordon, Dickie Pride, Danny Rivers, Jimmy Saville (not listed in TV Times).
may 14 Michael Cox, Davy Jones, Richard Allen, Sonny Stewart and The Dynamos, The Four Jays. (NME reported Connie Stevens was due to record for this episode on May 6 - not clear if this happened in the end)
may 21 Michael Cox, Bobby Deacon and The Cruisers, The Four Jays, Davy Jones, Keith Kelly, Red Price, Roy Young
may 28 Tommy Bruce, The Four Jays, Red Price, Dickie Pride, Danny Rivers, Vince Taylor.
june 4 Michael Cox, Alan Fielding, Johnny Kidd and The Pirates, The Four Jays, Red Price, Dave Sampson and The Hunters. (Kidd and The Pirates played Shakin’ All Over)
june 11 Peter Elliott, Cuddly Dudley, The Four Jays, Don Neilson, Red Price, Danny Rivers, Peter Wynne.
june 18 Michael Cox, Karl Denver Trio, The Four Jays, Red Price, Danny Rivers.
No video or even audio is known to survive. The Sound Of Fury LP by Billy Fury features a front cover photograph believed to have been shot on the set of Wham ! ! Fury purchased a gold lame suit specifically for the show. He recorded The Sound Of Fury album just over a week before the series started. It was produced by Jack Good and Joe Brown played guitar and contributed greatly to the session at Decca Studio, London.
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Post by ashleywood on May 7, 2018 16:16:27 GMT
William, 5 and 88 (A Swingin' Time / Swinging' Time) are the same show aren't they ? BBC TV show that ran for two series, one in 1963, one in 1964, presented by Rolf Harris.
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Post by ashleywood on May 7, 2018 15:48:00 GMT
An interesting A-Z. My first observation was "What, no TOTP, Lift Off or 45?" until I noticed you had said "completely missing" in the post. A quick glance at the list and I notice #13 Boy Meets Girl. Do you mean the Jack Good show hosted by Marty Wilde entitled BOY MEETS GIRLS? This was an ABC Network Production that aired around the UK during 1959-1960. Bear Family records are selling a soundtrack of episodes 19 & 20 so at least some audio survives, but I'd love to see all 26 episodes. I'm surprised there isn't a thread dedicated to the show already - perhaps I should start one? I was doing some research into Boy Meets Girls and Wham! a while back. There is some audio "knocking around" from Boy Meets Girls, unfortunately the whole series was junked within months. Some shows were live, some pre-recorded for future transmission. While reading issues of Disc from (I think) late 1960, I noticed Jack Good addressed this issue in his weekly column. Someone had written in to him asking if it would be possible to re-show the Eddie Cochran episodes of Boy Meets Girls. Jack responded that he had looked into this and had been informed by ABC-TV that the complete series had already been destroyed. Unfortunately I don't have the specific article to hand but I'm fairly sure it was from an issue around October, November 1960. I'll be coming back to this as part of another project at some stage. An engineer on the show kept some audios which is where the Rockstar Records cds came from (highly recommended) and there are some off air audios "around". The guests on Boy Meets Girls make the show an even more exciting prospect than Oh Boy for my money, even if Oh Boy is the more famous and arguably more historically significant of the two. There are quite a few photographs taken on the set of Boy Meets Girls in various photo library archives. In terms of Wham!, I think I have seen 2 photographs of Billy Fury taken on set, one of which might be the cover photo for The Sound Of Fury LP. As far as I'm aware, that is the sum total of surviving materials from Wham! Most desirable episode ? The April 30th episode featured Billy Fury and Joe Brown (they were in every episode) and the guests included Vince Taylor and Johnny Kidd and The Pirates. I bet that was good. The June 4th episode featured Kidd and Co. performing Shakin' All Over, perhaps the only time the classic Mark2 Pirates line-up (Caddy, Gregg, Cattini) played Shakin' All Over live on tv.
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Post by ashleywood on Apr 25, 2018 10:01:42 GMT
There are two short clips of Johnny Kidd. One approx 50 seconds including audience cutaways shows the Mark 7 Pirates (John Moreshead, Johnny Spence, Vic Cooper, Frank Farley) playing with Kidd at a show in Ireland. There are no group shots, just cuts to each band member. The second clip of around 2 minutes-ish shows Kidd getting off a boat in Belfast and walking round the streets and getting on a bus. Spence can be viewed very briefly (I mean a split second!). That may also date from 1965 or possibly 1962, not sure. Both clips will be released later this year in full. They are b/w mute footage and bloody expensive to licence so I hope I can count on fans to purchase the Kidd set when it's out ! Plenty of other Kidd "Lost Treasure" will accompany said release. I have fairly obsessively followed up all details of Kidd's TV appearances both here and abroad over the last six or seven years I think it is now. While there are certainly a few gaps and show details that have not come to light as yet, I am not feeling very optimistic that any TV appearances are likely to surface unless an unknown private collector has something liberated or copied from a TV station or someone filmed a tv screen at home. The main other option is something turning up during digitisation of archives. I "located" the performance clip a few years back (I posted about it here) and the second clip was uncovered by Julian Temple's team while researching the rather fab Wilko Johnson film. The TV company told me both clips turned up during digitisation, the 2nd clip was not in their main inventory as yet. Early TV appearances by Kidd (Cool For Cats, Discs A Gogo, Wham!, RSG, TYLS, Beat In The Border, Lunch Box, For Teenagers Only, Disc Break, Swinging Time, Five O'Clock Funfair etc..) , well we know what happened to those shows. The inserts they filmed for Top Of The Pops (at least two) were never broadcast. It's a total bummer. Some of the TV appearances mentioned in Keith Hunt's excellent book on Kidd did not take place or cannot be verified. Kidd certainly did not appear on Oh Boy or Boy Meets Girls as some have suggested. The latter was completely destroyed back in 1960 anyway. It would seem that not even any home movie footage of Kidd has survived even though you'd imagine someone somewhere must have filmed him at some point in his career. French, German, Dutch, Sweden, Belgium Australian, American, Canadian, Finland etc etc.. TV archives have also been checked. I'm not going to give up but it doesn't look promising. I've even studied all the newsreels from Variety Club events at Battersea Park 1959 to 66 in the hope of spotting him ! That there is no film of the Mark 2 Shakin' All Over Pirates or the Mark 4 Pirates (Mick Green) is a really big shame. The very brief live clip (while frustratingly very brief) shows Johnny had the moves and the look of an exciting front man. He is remembered by those him saw him as a great live performer and singer. His Pirates were super hot and influential as The Who / Hollies etc.. will tell you.
The Big Three were filmed at The Cavern (apparently in colour). This was in late 63 (I have the date somewhere) as part of promotion for the Live At The Cavern ep. Mersey Beat newspaper mentions them being filmed and that the film was intended to be sent as clips for use by the various ITV networks. It is mentioned that one clip had already been aired on Border TV. The trail is cold on that one. They did appear on the usual music shows of the time but same story as with Kidd I'm afraid. Plus, that the "classic" line-up split at the tail end of 63 makes it doubtful that we'll ever see the group in action unless that Cavern film story is true and the film survives somewhere or a fan filmed them in action with a cine camera. Can't help regarding the other bands Peter.
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Post by ashleywood on Apr 1, 2018 22:12:18 GMT
On the radio broadcast of Top Beat 27 April the Stones played walking the dog 3.00 you can make it if you try 2.05 beautiful delilah 2.10. After the radio broadcast, there was a tv broadcast but this time the Stones played not fade away 1.55, hi-heel sneakers 2.41, i’m all right 1.48 This runs contrary to Badman and the On Air book but comes from the pasb's which were not consulted for the Rolling Stones On Air book from last year. Beautiful Delilah is (almost certainly) available on bootleg where it is frequently referred to as being from a concert extract broadcast on a March 64 Saturday Club (which it was not). The other track bootlegged alongside it and credited to the non-existent March 64 Saturday Club concert extract is Roll Over Beethoven which seems to come from the 24 January 1964 light programme Go Man Go. I don't know of any other tracks by any other artists which may survive from any of the Top Beat broadcasts unfortunately.
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Post by ashleywood on Nov 17, 2017 8:23:49 GMT
Yikes I thought it might be a Barrett era one till I read your post ! Nearly wet myself. Oh well, sure to delight post-Syd Floyd fans and a great find regardless. Thanks for posting.
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Post by ashleywood on Nov 1, 2017 9:45:02 GMT
I guess that could of been Waterloo Sunset According to Doug Hinman's book they played 'My Pleasant' and 'This Is Where I Belong' That's a serious bummer. This Is Where I Belong is an awesome track. Would've been great to see them even miming it.
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Post by ashleywood on Oct 28, 2017 19:41:31 GMT
Hi Nigel, probably this -
6 November 1966, 10:31 Easy Beat recorded. 5/11 With Johnny Howard And His Band Laura Lee , Tony Steven Danny Street And Top Pop Artists Featuring Bbc Top Tunes Listeners' And Viewers' Own Popularity Chart Introduced By Keith Fordyce
the alan price set willow weep for me / don’t mess up a good thing (last one with SDG, 2mins35secs) the spencer davis group till the end of time / gimme some loving mike felix also guested.
I did check that Saturday club where they both guested but Price was a repeat from a previous broadcast (quite unusually) and only his interview was new plus the songs didn't match anyway. Easy Beat did not list guests in the Radio Times after a point (1965-ish) so doesn't help when you're searching BBC Genome.
if you ever find any Johnny Kidd, The Creation's BBC session or Little Richard from 63 or 64, do let me know - all right near the very top of my "hope someone taped them and kept them in any sound quality" list
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Post by ashleywood on Sept 26, 2017 8:09:44 GMT
TVPopDiaries says Friday 10 September 1965 Rolling Stones, That's How Strong My Love Is TVBrain says Ready Steady Go 10.09.1965 with The Rolling Stones and...(missing) But here it is... I think this was in the Rolling Stones Ready Steady Go special edition which was re-broadcast in the 80s so not a find as such. I don't believe DC has any more editions of RSG than we already know about, I certainly haven't seen any evidence to the contrary. I hope he does but he had to use inserts from other programmes of the DC5 in the 80's showings - well he didn't have to but if he had one of the episodes with DC5 in you'd imagine he would have used it/them. It is my understanding that he does charge a lot to use these clips and I assumed that was the reason McCartney drew the short straw and appeared in the Dave Clarke Is A Genius documentary. Maybe Paul thought it would help get a good deal if he put in a nice word for the DC5 ? There is a quote somewhere from Michael Lindsey-Hogg where he says the shows were wiped with a handful of exceptions that he saved and I suspect those could be the ones Dave then picked up (largely Beatles and Stones who Lindsey-Hogg-Welles worked with). According to another source I can't find right now, someone did (after a lot of effort) manage to get information from someone at Dave Clark International or whatever it's called that none of the episodes with Johnny Kidd and The Pirates were in his hands and none of the other big acts of the time such as Hendrix / Kinks / The Who etc.. who still have ongoing archival releases have complained that he has a ton of stuff but they haven't been able to negotiate a fee. Only those same two Who clips have been used and you'd think word would have leaked if large numbers of acts had been unable to deal with him. He effectively scuppered (I think) Rhino's attempt to put out the DC5 back catalogue by "over-valuing" it.....I think it was Rhino / Harold Bronson. There are some articles on the web about that somewhere. It is a bit rich of him to say he has preserved the episodes for future generations and yet we can't see them rescanned on Blu Ray or DVD. It might be that having had his fingers burnt when Sandie Shaw and others had to go legal to get paid for him using clips of them on the VHS tapes (allegedly) that he can't be bothered. Certainly his attitude to RSG and the DC5's back catalogue is mystifying and has only harmed his reputation and that of the DC5 who have almost completely lost any standing they might once have had by essentially only having a Greatest Hits available for decades until a few years back when he did some edited for unknown reasons iTunes releases. In his favour, it could simply be that the cost and negotiation involved in compiling and rescanning for say, blu-ray is astronomical but in that case why doesn't he just give them to the BFI or something. They must be taking up a lot of shelf space, that's why they were wiped in the first place.
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Post by ashleywood on Sept 10, 2017 11:52:17 GMT
My choice (all pop music related) -
Wham! (Jack Good's 1960 series) Boy Meets Girls (Jack Good's 1959-60 series) Ready Steady Go Thank Your Lucky Stars For Teenagers Only Beat In The Border Five O'Clock Club Discs A Go Go Beat Room Gadzoooks
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Post by ashleywood on May 10, 2017 21:34:14 GMT
Generally a national broadcast from Manchester but recorded sessions were occasionally played in to the live broadcast (for example Hendrix's appearance). BBC Genome is broadly accurate in terms of guests but as it was often live, performers could be no-shows due to illness. I don't know of any surviving 1968 recordings. The show was broadcast on 1500m only on the light but that may have changed. I know of about 3 shows from 66/67 that survive in part.
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Post by ashleywood on May 2, 2017 8:00:20 GMT
I think this season's going pretty well. Capaldi is finally being given the space to do something and Bill's fine. Music seems less constant. While not brilliant, these 3 so far have been enjoyable for me and family. That's a massive improvement on The Clara Show and episodes that followed. It's actually a shame Capaldi's going because it's working out how i hoped it would. As long as that electric guitar and Clara don't come back i'll be happy. Hopefully John Sims story won't be a pukefest. I cannot understand why he's coming back. Anyway, happy for now.
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Post by ashleywood on Apr 18, 2017 16:29:56 GMT
Don't post much in this section but been watching Who since around 1973 (I was 5). Overall I quite enjoyed this new episode. Unfortunately there seemed to be a record playing all the way through. The music is now not too loud but never stops. Have we moved from The Clara Show to Doctor Who The Concept Album ? I think it's a tremendous shame that Peter Capaldi's reign has been, in my view, badly messed up because I thought he would be an excellent and interesting choice. The Clara Show factor, the too-frequent "oh aren't we clever look at us" writing and the inability to let a scene play in silence bar acting and dialogue has badly tainted the Moffat era. That Sims is coming back as the Master is as bad as a return for Clara. He, or at least what was written for him was appalling and sadly typical of Dr Who The Emotional Years as Tennant's era too often became to the show's detriment. (I am one of those who prefers Dr Who as Scooby Doo In Space rather than Eastenders In Space.) Having said all of that, I do hope this is a good season. I have been struggling with the show in recent years despite some undoubted all-time highlights. Blink will always be a top 3 episode for me and I thoroughly enjoyed Matt Smith's stint until Clara showed up. If last saturday's episode had a music-off option I'd give it an 8/10. New assistants were ok though Bill had me worried at first. I shall keep watching with interest.
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