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Post by williammcgregor on Mar 31, 2018 8:49:25 GMT
Top Beat seems to have been a series of 4 shows in 1964, here is the entry of the first episode from BBC Genome
BBC TWO Monday 27 April 1964 21.10 - 22.00
Presented by BBC-2 and the Light Programme direct from the Royal Albert Hall, London featuring in alphabetical order:
Joe Brown and his Bruisers, The Caravelles:, The Eric Delano Band Gerry and The Pacemakers,:, Big Dee Irwin with The Breakaways;,
The Diamonds, Susan Maughan, The Rolling Stones, The Searchers, Compere: Alan Freeman
Does anyone know? or can they find out if the BBC hold this either as television or as radio please
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Post by Simon B Kelly on Mar 31, 2018 22:08:51 GMT
I'm sure if any of these programmes existed, the BBC would have used clips from them in their "Sounds of the Sixties" series.
The first show that you mentioned, Monday, 27 April 1964, 9.10-10.00pm, just a week after BBC2 had launched(!) was the only one that was also broadcast on the Light Programme a couple of hours earlier in the day. This means the programme must have been recorded, possibly on reel-to-reel for the radio transmission, in addition to the video, that was probably captured using one of the new Ampex VR-2000 machines, capable of recording in 625 lines, that had recently been delivered to the BBC.
Show 2 went out a month later on BBC2 only, Monday, 25th May 1964, 9.20-10.05pm, billed as direct from the Royal Albert Hall, London featuring KENNY BALL AND HIS JAZZMEN, FREDDIE AND THE DREAMERS, THE HOLLIES, EDEN KANE AND THE DOWNBEATS, BILLY J. KRAMER AND THE DAKOTAS, BOB MILLER AND THE MILLERMEN, BRIAN POOLE AND THE TREMELOES, DUSTY SPRINGFIELD. Compere, Alan Freeman.
It was six months before the next "Top Beat", Wednesday, 11th November 1964, 9.15-10.05pm, which was described as the first of a monthly series of star-studded public shows at the Royal Albert Hall, London and including GERRY AND THE PACEMAKERS, GENE PITNEY, THE HOLLIES, THE HONEYCOMBS, THE KINKS, LULU AND THE LUVVERS, MARTHA AND THE VANDELLAS, CLIFF BENNETT AND THE REBEL ROUSERS, THE PRETTY THINGS, THE ERIC DELANEY BAND. Compere, Jimmy Savile.
The fourth and final show aired Wednesday, 9th December 1964, 9-15-10.05pm, says it was recorded on December 7 at the Royal Albert Hall, London and included BRIAN POOLE AND THE TREMELOES, THE NASHVILLE TEENS, DAVE BERRY AND THE CRUISERS, SOUNDS INCORPORATED, THE MIRACLES, WAYNE FONTANA AND THE MINDBENDERS, THE YARDBIRDS, THE BOBBY PATRICK, BIG SIX and guest star, BRENDA LEE. Compere, Alan Freeman.
Four amazing line-ups and four shows that most of us would love to see. They were never repeated and were only available to those lucky enough to be able to receive UHF TV transmissions in 1964. They don't appear to be listed on TV Brain, but I would suspect they suffered the same fate as the 53 episodes of Top of the Pops from 1964, i.e. wiped, shortly after transmission, so that the tape could be re-used...
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Post by johnpoole on Mar 31, 2018 23:25:20 GMT
Bill Wyman's book "Rolling with the Stones" indicates two shows on 27th April so it is possible that the radio broadcast was from the first show; with the TV broadcast being from the second.
The Stones had appeared at the NME Pollwinners' Concert on the previous day.
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Post by Simon B Kelly on Apr 1, 2018 3:23:18 GMT
Interesting. The description for the radio show on Monday, 27th April 1964, 7.31-8.30pm, is: Part of a BBC concert at the Royal Albert Hall, London, with JOE BROWN AND HIS BRUVVERS, THE CARAVELLES, THE ERIC DELANEY BAND, GERRY AND THE PACEMAKERS, BIG DEE IRWIN with THE BREAKAWAYS and THE DIAMONDS, SUSAN MAUGHAN, THE ROLLING STONES, THE SEARCHERS. Compere, Alan Freeman.
This could, therefore, have been a live run-through/rehearsal, with the other part of the concert being a live television performance that was broadcast on BBC2 just 40 minutes later, especially as the first two tv shows are both billed as "direct from the Royal Albert Hall". Unfortunately, if they were both live then it's possible they weren't even being recorded. That just leaves the November and December shows. We know show four was recorded on Monday, 7th December 1964, and shown two days later, so if all four shows were performed on a Monday evening, the Savile show was probably recorded on Monday, 9th November. It was billed as "the first of a monthly series" suggesting it was the first show that had been recorded for later transmission.
The "programme as broadcast" documentation at Caversham should be able to give us more details, but if any of these shows, or fragments from them, still existed, it would be well known about by now!
The best we can hope for is that someone recorded the sound to one or more of them. Anyone here remember watching any of these?
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Post by williammcgregor on Apr 1, 2018 7:35:44 GMT
Thanks Simon and John some great information
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Post by johnpoole on Apr 1, 2018 9:18:23 GMT
I think BBC2 may have only been available in London and the South-East at the time
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Post by williammcgregor on Apr 1, 2018 13:13:28 GMT
The Caravelles
who appeared on the 1st Top Beat also appeared on these shows according to TV Brain...
Ready Steady Go! 01.11.1963... missing
Dee Time 18.05.1967 missing... The Kinks and Paul Jones also in that episode
Thank Your Lucky Stars 09.11.1963... missing
Crackerjack 21.11.1963 missing... Bert Weedon also in that episode
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According to the NME they also appeared in the following TV shows...
"Music Match" Anglia TV...18/03/64
"Gazette" ...22/02/64 (According to the NME)
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Post by Dale Rumbold on Apr 1, 2018 19:00:46 GMT
I think BBC2 may have only been available in London and the South-East at the time Apart from those of us in various parts of the country with BRW (British Relay) cable : we had it in our part of Ipswich so had BBC2 right from the aborted first night. |
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Post by ashleywood on Apr 1, 2018 22:12:18 GMT
On the radio broadcast of Top Beat 27 April the Stones played walking the dog 3.00 you can make it if you try 2.05 beautiful delilah 2.10.
After the radio broadcast, there was a tv broadcast but this time the Stones played not fade away 1.55, hi-heel sneakers 2.41, i’m all right 1.48
This runs contrary to Badman and the On Air book but comes from the pasb's which were not consulted for the Rolling Stones On Air book from last year.
Beautiful Delilah is (almost certainly) available on bootleg where it is frequently referred to as being from a concert extract broadcast on a March 64 Saturday Club (which it was not). The other track bootlegged alongside it and credited to the non-existent March 64 Saturday Club concert extract is Roll Over Beethoven which seems to come from the 24 January 1964 light programme Go Man Go.
I don't know of any other tracks by any other artists which may survive from any of the Top Beat broadcasts unfortunately.
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Post by williammcgregor on Apr 2, 2018 12:55:33 GMT
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Post by williammcgregor on Apr 6, 2018 16:57:13 GMT
The Bobby Patrick Big Six on the above link paragraph 47 states...
"We did a Beat Club live television performance from the Albert Hall in December 1964 in which we were backing Brenda (Lee) but we also backed Smokey Robinson & The Miracles who topped the bill"
Paragraph 48 states... "We had to read the music in front of a packed Albert Hall and live television. That's the scariest gig that I've ever, ever done."
Is this the same? If this fourth episode does not survive as Top Beat at the BBC, does it survive as an episode of Beat Club in Germany?
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Post by Simon B Kelly on Apr 6, 2018 17:26:46 GMT
The German pop show "Beat-Club" began in Sep 1965, so they probably just got the name mixed up and are referring to the BBC "Top Beat" performance recorded 7th December 1964
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Post by richardwoods on Apr 12, 2018 19:08:36 GMT
I think BBC2 may have only been available in London and the South-East at the time Apart from those of us in various parts of the country with BRW (British Relay) cable : we had it in our part of Ipswich so had BBC2 right from the aborted first night. Did BRW standards convert BBC2 to 405 lines for ease of use? |
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Post by Dale Rumbold on Apr 14, 2018 11:05:43 GMT
Apart from those of us in various parts of the country with BRW (British Relay) cable : we had it in our part of Ipswich so had BBC2 right from the aborted first night. Did BRW standards convert BBC2 to 405 lines for ease of use? No, they had dual-standard sets capable of handling both 405 and 625 lines, though you had to flick a switch to tell the set which to use : most customers had older sets which had been converted by BRW, not always with exclusively positive results ... (I've told this story before, but what the heck) In the early days of BBC2, our household rarely watched anything on the channel, but a big favourite of my Dad's was The Virginian ; one evening we were sitting there watching it when the TV caught fire! Next day BRW came out and removed the charred set, leaving us a near-identical one in exchange ; all was well, and a week later we were sitting waiting for The Virginian to start, when my Mum said "I hope it doesn't catch fire this week" ; "That's not going to happen is it?" says Dad (I was 5 years old at this time) ; a few minutes later, (and you'll be ahead of me here ...), the set duly burst into flames! That was the last time we had one of the older, converted, sets in the house : BRW replaced it with an obviously more modern dual-standard set that served us from then right through to when Dad stumped up the extra money to switch to colour, also from BRW, in 1972. |
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Post by Richard Marple on Apr 14, 2018 12:18:50 GMT
Old TVs seemed have a habit of catching fire, especially early colour sets.
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