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Post by Patrick Coles on Feb 13, 2017 12:56:47 GMT
That 'On A Carousel' clip features in full on the DVD 'Look Through Any Window'
a couple of versions exist - one where the cameraman gets carried away and rotates the camera around and around (like a carousel etc) and - I think - the better one included in the DVD where the camera remains static
also featured are Tony Hicks playing just the basic backup guitarwork, Bobby Elliott's drumming and Clarke, Hicks, Nash gathered around the mike doing just the vocals
Nash is featured doing the lead vocal intro part too
then you get the complete song performance as they recorded it
that DVD also puts the song 'King Midas in Reverse' (of which no surviving 1967 performance is currently known to exist) to Hollies longtime tour manager Rod Shields' own colour home movie footage of the band going walkabout in the Far East in 1967, thus creating a typical mid sixties colour 'promo' film for the song (like The Beatles did in 1967 re 'Penny Lane', 'Strawberry Fields' etc) - at the end of the song The Hollies are seen walking backwards...the footage aptly running 'in Reverse' !
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Post by Patrick Coles on Feb 7, 2017 17:55:45 GMT
was that the series where Bryan Marshall took over as the new Captain of HMS Hero...?
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Post by Patrick Coles on Jan 3, 2017 18:17:11 GMT
Perhaps the press; 'Tottenham sound crushes Beatles Beat' headline still rankled with John...?
remember tho' Lennon was always slagging off nearly everybody - including Paul, George, Ringo (supposedly saying; 'Ringo's not even the best drummer in The Beatles' ! - tho' some deny that comment now ) and he sang; 'I Don't believe in ...Beatles' !
he generously referred to George Martin's production abilities as; 'none of your crap...'
so a snide dig by Lennon was the norm - hence poor Mal Evans got the unenviable job of putting himself up to take the punches Lennon ducked away from...
the drumming on DC5 records - be it by DC or Bobby Graham was often powerful and put well to the fore in the mix making their hits quite distinctive
maybe this remark was another case of Lennon - incredibly and absurdly - somehow feeling his band were 'threatened' by others (i.e. 'Lennon blasts Hollies') as the UK press praised up The DC5 TV film 'Hold On' while they had crucified The Beatles 'Magical Mystery Tour' one press comment said of The DC5 special it was 'the film The Beatles TRIED to make...' which was a remark that would have really stung John !
John could be mega insecure - and unprofessionally bad mouthing another artist - Dusty, Billy J. Kramer, Tom Jones, and comedian Tommy Cooper all had their 'run ins' with Lennon - as did Mick Jagger and The Stones whom Lennon also had a go at too before calming down and becoming friendly with them again...!
- the massive Tommy Cooper almost brained him after John apparently had made a bad remark about Tommy's wife (hence maybe Tommy being 'namechecked' later in 'Give Peace A Chance'as a belated apology ?)
Kinks frontman Ray Davies bluntly sent Lennon off in a huff at Blackpool in 1965 when he took no nonsense from John's snide attitude and gave as good as he got
as did Graham Nash of The Hollies too....(in 1971 Lennon doing a music paper singles guest review praised up The Hollies new single 'Hey Willy' saying; 'it will shoot up the chart like a rocket' - which proved to be the kiss of death on it as it then stalled in the chart !)
Lennon normally sheepishly 'apologised' later on by either giving the other artist a 'namecheck' plug, or praising their new single, or giving them a hit song...!
while today many see John through the rose coloured specs and sainthood reserved for the deceased - something he likely would have detested - let's bear in mind John was NO saint, and in his younger days could be a very unpleasant spiteful guy indeed (i.e. "Run For Your Life', 'How Do You Sleep ?', 'Move Over Ms. L')
- ironic he seemed to have conquered that snide often quite cruel side of his personality when he was gunned down...
...and don't forget his 'retirement' from music in 1975 went almost unnoticed by the media and much of the wider public back then..
as John wrote; 'Everybody loves you when you're six feet in the ground...'
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Post by Patrick Coles on Jan 2, 2017 12:37:30 GMT
indeed, the sheer ego is stunning and no doubt a key reason so many dislike the group !
- which is sadly unfair as the biggest irony is when you listen to the music of The DC5 it's Mike, Lenny and Denis who steal the show with their instrumental abilities and vocal performances
- the drumming is very important too of course, be it Bobby Graham or DC himself, but Mike, Lenny, and Denis are clearly the main musical force !
the production is very sharp to be fair, tho' recording engineer Adrian Kerridge must take some of the credit there, but DC did have his strengths in the studio without doubt, just a pity he can't be more modest about their story as it does get up people's noses alot...and a fine band and their music duly suffer for it
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Post by Patrick Coles on Dec 25, 2016 15:26:26 GMT
can anybody identify the episode of 'Crane' where a guy dressed as an arab kept running up behind him and knocking him out...!
he must have done it about four times over the course of the episode before Crane turned the tables on him...
funny what you remember
I recall Patrick Troughton and Rosemary Nicholls in 'The Chopper' well - even the visible wires attached to the various bits of bikes that came to life and nobbled poor old Patrick as he attempted to cut the haunted bike to bits at the end...
oh and Rosemary snagged her tights on a sharp edge early on...THAT seems to cling in the mind so clearly for some strange reason.... lol !
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Post by Patrick Coles on Dec 25, 2016 15:13:09 GMT
Drake ? - I must be long out of touch as to me that name means either a noted Ship's Captain who played bowls before beating the Spanish...
....or a cool sixties secret agent ! lol
Merry Chistmas all...!
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Post by Patrick Coles on Dec 23, 2016 18:01:09 GMT
Well bear in mind back in the sixties The long forgotten now DC5 WERE actually a massive group, particularly here in the UK 1963-65, then in the USA over 1965-67, then pretty big here again over 1968-70...!
headlining a UK package tour in 1964, doing 'Top of The Pops' and 'RSG', making a feature film - that was a box office success in 1965, doing two Royal Variety shows 1965 and 66, 15 editions of 'The Ed Sullivan Show' in the USA, being invited to play at The White House ...being the first UK group ever to do a full headline tour of the USA doing six USA tours in all, , they broke Epic records then record for selling a million records within a period of 90 days.....then doing a successful colour UK TV special, even a mini film that was shown before the new James Bond film at the cinemas.....
The Rolling Stones, Who, Kinks, Hollies, Small Faces, etc couldn't boast of doing all that...could they ? (even The Beatles couldn't either - their 'Magical Mystery Tour' was crucified by very hostile critics in the UK press in 1967...!)
I get the impression DC is something of a rarely heard from almost latter day 'Howard Hughes' type figure now....
certainly HE doesn't need the money personally from any back catalogue re-promotion... and any new interest in his band would maybe re-awaken interest in him, now an elderly guy no longer the cool 'good looker' he was back in his sixties heyday...maybe that puts him off ?? (it could be a key factor)
DC once said in a magazine interview that he was MOST unhappy to find an LP released in the USA with 'fake stereo' and even credited as being produced by 'Manny Coussins'(or something like that !) which really upset him....hence he pulled everything off the market (so that article said)
Their UK contract with EMI looks to have expired in the early seventies after the last DC5 album on EMI Columbia 'If Somebody Loves You' was released in 1970 with the two budget Starline albums then issued in 1970 and 1971, the only later DC5 release by EMI being the mid seventies MFP re-issue of 'Play Good Old Rock & Roll' compilation album.
The last 'new' EMI album was post DC5 being the 'Dave Clark, Mike Smith and Friends' album on EMI Records issued in 1972
- Polydor released '25 Thumping Great Hits' in 1977 in a 'one off' deal it seems (making no.7 in the UK) , but thereafter nothing new besides essentially hits compilations have appeared from time to time mostly on CD, tho' a vinyl 2LP set 'Glad All Over Again' came out.
A VHS tape of 'Glad All Over Again' was also released, it has b/w and colour full song performances of most of their big hits - again it was later withdrawn and is not easy to find now...this plus the alternate performances on second Disc of the latest '...And Beyond' DVD/Blu Ray need to be combined for a complete song performances DVD/Blu Ray release too....but then pigs might fly !
The CD 'History of The DC5' was a decent seller...but DC then pulled that off the market
I don't know if legal issues, songwriting credit arguments, residues etc, may come into play that have prevented the back catalogue from being re-issued, but despite in a 'Record Collector' magazine interview some years back - possibly circa 2008 when 'The Hits' CD came out - where DC expressed a desire to re-issue the sixties albums on CD nothing later so far has happened that we know of...
DC once was quoted as saying he disliked the CD format feeling it 'flattened out' the sound and made everything sound very 'processed' etc - which others have also felt ! - so maybe that was or is a contributing factor too ?
DC did say he'd remastered tracks that were not included on 'The Hits' CD (UK no.15 in 2008) ...and perfectly good true stereo versions of tracks only issued in the UK in mono can be found downloaded on youtube so there WOULD appear scope for stereo and mono re-issues of UK albums in the future if only DC can be persuaded
if 'Glad All Over' is the Xmas no.1 and football teams keep using it then hopefully wider public interest in the music of The DC5 might influence DC or record companies at least to talk to DC to get something moving before we all peg out due to sheer old age...!!!
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Post by Patrick Coles on Dec 23, 2016 12:01:05 GMT
I read somewhere that DC supposedly accidentally 'melted his face under a sun ray lamp' - thus presumably had to have cosmetic surgery to try to correct it - how true that really is I have no idea but he's gone from striking male model good looks in his prime to a rather strange looking figure now as some very good looking men and women can do later in life...
if it was an accident that is very sad of course and I'd never make light of anyone's misfortune - both Denny and Mike had their respective later health problems that sadly took both from us...and Rick too is no longer with us, so the band members have had more than their share of tragedy and it's best to remember them in their sixties prime belting out the hits...!
I'd love to see a proper UK and USA albums re-issue programme
maybe these remastered 2CD sets re UK albums;
1) 'A Session With The DC5'- 1964 - (mono and if possible stereo) plus the DC5 EP four songs (which made no.24 in 1964) and 'Do You Love Me' / 'Doo Dah' ('A' and 'B' side and the instrumental 'Chaquita' as the bonus tracks (with any other relevant songs)
2) 'Catch Us If You Can'- 1965 - (mono and if possible stereo versions) plus the 'A' and 'B' sides of singles not included on the first CD and any EP tracks likewise as bonus tracks
3) 'The DC5 Greatest Hits' - 1966 - (mono and if possible stereo versions) plus any 'A' sides of singles not included on the original album as bonus tracks
4) 'Everybody Knows The DC5' - 1967 - (mono and unissued stereo versions) with any singles 'B' sides such as; 'Concentration Baby' and 'Man in A Pin Striped Suit' etc as bonus tracks
5) 'Five By Five - 14 Titles by The DC5' - 1968 - (mono and unissued stereo versions of album) with any other circa 1968 songs as bonus tracks
6) 'If Somebody Loves You' - 1970 - Stereo version with any singles 'A' and 'B' sides from 1969-70 as bonus tracks - with latter singles such as 'Rub it In', 'Draggin The Line', 'Southern Man'
7) The Best of The DC5' / 'The DC 5 Play Good Old Rock & Roll' - both EMI Starline budget albums in stereo with 'Here Comes Summer', 'Little Bitty Pretty One' added as bonus tracks to the Rock and Roll album and stereo versions of; 'Thinking of You Baby', 'Everybody Knows (I Still Love You)', 'Put A Little Love in Your Heart', and 'Everybody Get Together' added to the 'Best of...' album as bonus tracks
8) 'The EP Collection, 'B' sides, & Rarities'- ALL UK EP Tracks, plus UK singles 'B' sides and any UK rare tracks (like the soundtrack of the 1966 Royal Variety Show' performances of 'Nineteen Days' / 'Georgia On My Mind' and any live tracks etc)
9) 'Twenty Five Thumping Great Hits' - A CD issue of Polydor's 1977 hits compilation that made No.7 in the UK album chart.
10) 'The UK Singles: A's and B's' - (2 CD Set) - All UK singles in original mono mixes, a second CD could include stereo versions where possible
then a full USA albums '2 on 1' CD re-issue set
just an idea - over to you DC ...!
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Post by Patrick Coles on Dec 22, 2016 20:12:43 GMT
same to you William - and good luck to Hibs in the new year !
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Post by Patrick Coles on Dec 22, 2016 20:10:40 GMT
I Don't suppose Crystal Palace now ex-manager Alan Pardew is feeling very 'Glad All Over' tonight !
lovely the way they sack a guy just before Christmas....very festive !
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Post by Patrick Coles on Dec 21, 2016 19:18:21 GMT
I have noticed on a few music forums a number of people saying that they had never heard of The DC5 or only knew about 'Glad All Over' (mostly from it's use in TV commercials and by Crystal Palace football club when they run out and on the rare occasions they score goals ! - only joking Palace fans !) and are now getting into their music
just as that 'The Hits' CD of 2008 is selling for really silly expensive prices on Amazon UK, let alone the earlier CDs or albums etc
so a younger generation would seem to have now 'discovered' The DC5 via youtube and that BBC screening of the DC self appreciation society, which would explain the downloads mentioned above
surely if DC had any kind of business sense he'd now re-issue The DC5 back catalogue properly on CD and maybe vinyl which has made at least a limited comeback...
and he might do something with his RSG footage too !
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Post by Patrick Coles on Dec 20, 2016 13:50:36 GMT
putting all the obligatory digs at DC to one side for a moment - and some people do seem very 'touchy' re the idea of anything by anyone being some sort of even vague potential threat to The Beatles 'crown' etc which I find curious (tho' remember there were many people around back in the sixties who didn't rate the fab four very highly)
- let's just take a look at the music of The DC5
seemingly dismissed by many as not progressing in any manner whatsoever in fact their music does have some surprising aspects
The production was always tight, and Mike Smith's keyboard work was spot on, Lenny Davidson's various guitar styles shine too - he plays Duane Eddy style ('When I Am Alone'), then rock style ('Inside and Out', 'Maze of Love') while the driving fuzz guitar on 'Good Love is Hard To Find' and 'Who Do You Think You're Talking To' is first rate, and his guitarwork on 'Nineteen Days' stands out
the abilities of Denis Payton - who duets with himself on sax/harmonica on the solo on 'Catch Us if You Can' - added much to their sound, while the vox organ/sax pairing with Davidson's often backup guitar created a much more powerful overall instrumental sound than the standard three guitars/drums line up of many 'beat boom' era bands
the manner of the use of echo in specific places on both vocals and instrumentation on numbers such as; 'I Know You', 'Glad All Over' and 'Anyway You Want it' was impressive and unusual on early sixties beat boom era pop group records,
the unexpected continual tempo 'gear shifts' on 'Everybody Knows (I Still Love You)' was quite ground breaking in 1965 too
their driving instrumentals like 'Move On', 'Ol Sol', were an often forgotten avenue of their music ranging from Rock & Roll to soul to mood music styles
their five part vocal harmonies were another often overlooked aspect, for such a 'brash' powering outfit the subtle harmonised singing on numbers such as; 'Whenever You're Around', 'Bernadette', 'Because', 'Can't You See That She's Mine', etc display a more reflective side to the group as did the unusual arrangements on numbers such as; 'Till The Right One Comes Along', 'Go On', 'Lost in His Dreams' etc
- their sursprising vocals only version of 'Georgia On My Mind' at the Royal Command Show at the London Palladium was a memorable performance by the five piece outfit that no sessionman could later try to claim for their own....
Mike Smith had a tremendous lead voice, as powerful if not even more so than many of his more esteemed sixties group contemporaries - a few famous names would struggle to try to outpower Smith's voice - while his deeper more restrained soulful range had a fine quality ('Away From All The Noises', 'Devoted To Me', 'I Still Love You', 'Play Me Around' etc) , Lenny Davidson also had a very underrated lead voice too, co-singing alot with Smith on the hits and stepping up to sing 'Everybody Knows' (no.2 in 1967), 'No One Can Break A Heart Like You' (1968) and most of 'Here Comes Summer' (1970) - where The DC5 displayed Beach Boy style vocal harmonies
the focus of their music always remained love songs and 'boy meets girl where the action is' etc - causing some to sneer and look down on them musically - tho' they never had the often absurd pretentions of some of the worst excesses of 'flower power' onwards or attemtping to lecture us on how to become more enlightened etc....
The DC5 first and foremost made commercial music to entertain the general public - it's so very easy to criticise them as dated and square (as you sit wearing your hippie kaftan ? - more than one heavy rocker wore a hairpiece too !)
they were by 1969 at the forefront of the Rock & Roll revival scoring two latter chart hits with R & R medleys and their call for unity in the hit cover of 'Everybody Get Together' was in keeping with the times as much as anyone else was
a proper restoration of the long forgotten DC5 album catalogue would at least provide evidence of their strengths as a group, and show that they did actually progress in their work with some really great musical and vocal performances
while umpteen more important bands might be able to claim this, that, whatever, the fact is in the sixties - and still in 1977 it appeared - The DC5 were much loved and massively popular with the general public both UK and USA (even more so than some of their now far more rated 'acceptable to like' contemporaries)
it's a shame the music of The DC5 is limited to just their famous hits in most people's minds now - good as those were - as some gems have been long overlooked
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Post by Patrick Coles on Dec 19, 2016 19:51:42 GMT
I don't compare DC to Brian Wilson as an artist or songwriter BUT as a self sufficient studio producer DC WAS quite unique
- DC enjoyed even more freedom at Lansdowne during 1963-64 than Brian had at Capitol - Nick Venet produced 'Surfin USA' album and Brian only really took full control after that
- Brian's bossy Dad Murray Wilson was even sitting in early on 'telling Brian this, that, whatever....' - Brian turning his deaf ear to it all !
Capitol under promoted 'Pet Sounds' instead fiercly plugging their 'Best of Beach Boys' set in 1966, while Brian faced a flak from other Beach Boys like Mike Love over his 'new' music in a manner no one would have dared throw at DC....
DC never had his old man to contend with in the studio or re running the band etc, let alone slick suited Capitol record company execs - he was theoretically under engineer Adrian Kerridge 'supervision' - hence the 'Adrian Clark' credit early on - but in truth DC was THE Producer calling the shots
DC had enough clout to pull the DC5 catalogue off the market - something Brian Wilson could never do re The Beach Boys ....
Brian has even lost out to Mike Love since then, so DC was pretty much supreme in his position of power re The DC5 - which has proven to be a great shame in retrospect as their music has been effectively removed from public enjoyment, bar the hits compilations, for far too long....
Rick Huxley did once say that thanks to DC and the group he paid off the mortgage on his house quite quickly and his family had a holiday abroad every year...so it seems the guys were looked after by DC, maybe they deserved more but they seemed quite content to let DC lead them throughout - tho' his refusal to allow the back catalogue to be re-issued was unfair on the other four guys, especially considering Denis and Mike's later respective situations
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Post by Patrick Coles on Dec 19, 2016 13:15:22 GMT
I've heard all sorts of rumours about who played on what, and who actually wrote what re The DC5...!
I expect DC did use session drummers, but probably if he was busy elsewhere in the recording booth etc - live he certainly COULD play and in that very distinctive drumming style that Berry Gordy was influenced by on his Tamla Motown records - note The Supremes covered DC5 songs on their albums
I believe Mike, Lenny and Denis would all have played and certainly they sang - the vocal harmonies are Mike and Lenny led and they actually duet alot - even on 'Bits and Pieces' Lenny is co-singing much of it with Mike
I have read Clark took a songwriting credit on everything whatever or whoever wrote it...
which ties in with Mike's lack of clarity perhaps ?
I think each of the other four were probably 'wiser' to not say anything truth be told - hence they never did or have...
but it's a shame as a fascinating story must be in there re the music itself and the albums, EPs, 'B' sides, and the famous hits etc, we know so very little about their songwriting, their arrangements etc, all we ever hear is what an incredible guy DC was etc...
- I read a 'name' music author once attempted to do a book on The DC5 but had to give up on the project !
whatever, we DO know that The Beatles at least respected DC and his group, they never slagged off The DC5 and recognised Clark's ability as a manager in a very cut throat harsh business world - look at the complete disaster their own Apple became later !
only Brian Wilson in the USA was also self producing his band in 1963 - and Brian cracked up by 1966 ! so Clark's achievements are pretty impressive....except for his apparently massive ego and power to control which effectively ruins any proper re-appraisal of The DC5 and any proper re-issue of the back catalogue
a shame, they made some howlers like the dreadful 'Tabatha Twitchit'...but also some great records such as 'Maze of Love', 'Concentration Baby', 'Inside And Out', 'Good Love is Hard To Find', 'Return My Love', 'Who Do You Think You're Talking To ?', 'Got To Have A Reason', ' 'Rub it In', 'Draggin' The Line'...even a cover of Neil Young's 'Southern Man'(credited to DC5 if probably Clarke, Smith and Friends)
their absence from the UK in 1966 saw two of their very best singles flop completely in the UK minus any promotion - 'Nineteen Days' and 'Try Too Hard' - but 'Over and Over' was a smash USA hit during that period.
tracks like their powering instrumental cover of 'Rumble', their covers of 'On Broadway', 'Raining in My Heart', the unexpected subtle mood music instrumentals; 'Theme Without A Name', 'When I Am Alone', and strong originals such as 'Mighty Good Loving', 'I Need Love' and 'Wild Weekend' were all excellent sixties pop songs and material such as that plus many classic pop hits, should be on which The DC5 legacy stands - not hideous docus full of fawning over-praise to one guy
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Post by Patrick Coles on Dec 17, 2016 13:19:54 GMT
it was the usual Dave Clark mega ego fest of course - the other four guys were depicted as mere 'bit players' when Mike Smith, Lenny Davidson, and Denis Payton at least were each very talented musicians and fine singers deserving of a better tribute more inclusive of them (I haven't forgotten Rick Huxley, but I don't know if he actually played bass that much for them)
Keyboardist Mike had that classic lead voice - Guitarist Lenny too had a great singing voice, and they plus Denis (saxes, harmonica, guitars, percussion, and occasional lead vocal) did alot of the surprisingly subtle vocal harmonies
despite all the hype here and allowing for Clark's skills as a shrewd businessman and self producing and managing his band, the fact is that on a musical level those other three guys really WERE the true band - no matter wherever they positioned DC's drumkit !
Clark has virtually 'airburshed out' The DC5 from music history, taking almost the entire back catalogue bar the hits off market for decades - and being assisted by some ever eager music critics - however back in the sixties the fact is that they WERE massive and they were much loved by the general public, whatever critics might choose to believe...
However before you dismiss them do bear this in mind;
The DC5 were the first British group to undertake a headline USA full tour, they did 15 editions of The Ed Sullivan Show, were a rare Non American band asked to play at The White House (for LBJ), did two Royal Command performances, made a successful film, had a successful UK TV special,...and had 14 consecutive USA chart hits, plus up to disbanding in 1970 they had 22 UK chart singles (as did Beatles and Hollies)
so while The Beatles were the pioneers, doing well remembered but 'one off' concert shows over 1964-66 ....The DC5 then did a vital job in opening up the USA to all the 'more important' UK bands that would go on to actually tour the USA thereafter...
The DC5, despite concentrating firmly on the USA, nevertheless actually still scored MORE UK chart placed official singles from 1963 up to 1970 than; The Rolling Stones, Who, Kinks, Manfred Mann, Small Faces, Animals, Searchers, Pretty Things, etc... in terms of sheer number of hits duly outscoring all of those other 'more important bands' back then IN the sixties
while despite no existing band after 1970 their Polydor compilation '25 Thumping Great Hits' sliced through punk in 1977 to make No.7 in the UK album charts too
they were never a proper 'albums band' tho' - cobbled together LP sets were gathered around hits, 'B' sides, EP tracks etc often compiled from a few years worth of recordings - tho' The Stones later did that too - but by the late sixties their not being a 'proper albums band' was seen as some sort of most heinous crime by many people...
remember DC had a 'free hand' over at Lansdowne recording studios producing his own records... while John Lennon was still wearing a tie at Abbey Road and the milk was locked away in the EMI fridges ! (per George Harrison) as The Beatles were produced by EMI Staff producer George Martin
DC was picking up 100% royalties when John & Paul were getting a pathetic 25% on theirs...
so whoever was 'best', 'most important', or (in truth) just 'your fav' group etc the fact is DC achieved a great deal as a ground breaking 'self sufficient' artist and band manager (thus was something of a true rebel telling the company - instead of the company telling him)
just a pity Clark's massive ego always ruins any rare DC5 retrospectives - while a proper full song clips show minus all the fawning platitudes towards Clark would concentrate much more on the musical talents of Mike, Lenny, and Denis and the memorable hits they made and the band's story should be told in an objective and correctly balanced manner giving due credit to the other group members and their contributions to the story, however the only real likelihood of that will be in the future when all are no longer with us I suspect...
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