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Post by John Wall on Jan 18, 2014 10:41:39 GMT
More than likely when they were moving this around inside the ABC things got separated. Sort of like when we move some times a book will get separated from the rest of the books in the series or one of the video tapes in the collection will disappear only to be found later in another box. Obviously the workers packing up the films for return to the BBC were not concerned and more to the point the BBC Enterprises employees who took inventory did not care either. Otherwise we would have had message traffic flowing between BBC enterprises. BBC Sydney and the ABC asking "where is episode 2 of "Revenge of the Gargleblasters" as it was not retuned with the other 5 episode of the story and to please check for it (and any other that were missing) More or less what I've previously posted.
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Post by johnforbes on Jan 18, 2014 10:55:15 GMT
More than likely when they were moving this around inside the ABC things got separated. Sort of like when we move some times a book will get separated from the rest of the books in the series or one of the video tapes in the collection will disappear only to be found later in another box. Obviously the workers packing up the films for return to the BBC were not concerned and more to the point the BBC Enterprises employees who took inventory did not care either. Otherwise we would have had message traffic flowing between BBC enterprises. BBC Sydney and the ABC asking "where is episode 2 of "Revenge of the Gargleblasters" as it was not retuned with the other 5 episode of the story and to please check for it (and any other that were missing) More or less what I've previously posted. 10 "separations" so far is quite a lot tbh. The Aussies afaik had provision to repeat each and every ep they ever bought. So if we have all these separations (and that's just so far) it's a wonder the Aussies were even able to screen complete stories even once at this rate. I also doubt AFRTS would screen random eps of what they obviously knew were serialised stories. These were more likely obtained, and screened, complete. (If AFRTS ever actually screened them). Any more finds in Taiwan, and it will look more and more like the orphaned eps recovered from the crate in the UK were actually the only ones that were put in there.
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Post by John Wall on Jan 18, 2014 11:26:40 GMT
The way these things work is that an odd episode or so can go walkies but not dozens. I don't think there is any doubt that large numbers of prints were sent back to the UK. It is certainly possible than only 99% of what was supposed to have been sent actually was but virtually impossible that only 1% was.
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Post by johnforbes on Jan 18, 2014 11:38:22 GMT
The way these things work is that an odd episode or so can go walkies but not dozens. I don't think there is any doubt that large numbers of prints were sent back to the UK. It is certainly possible than only 99% of what was supposed to have been sent actually was but virtually impossible that only 1% was. The 10 found so far would be quite a lot more than 1%. But, that's beside the point. The main clue as to where these came from is that The Ambassadors is in and amongst this lot. The Ambassadors wasn't afaik listed as being in that 1975 shipment. Which does make it more likely that these are therefore all Gibraltan episodes instead.
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Post by John Wall on Jan 18, 2014 12:09:19 GMT
The way these things work is that an odd episode or so can go walkies but not dozens. I don't think there is any doubt that large numbers of prints were sent back to the UK. It is certainly possible than only 99% of what was supposed to have been sent actually was but virtually impossible that only 1% was. The 10 found so far would be quite a lot more than 1%. But, that's beside the point. The main clue as to where these came from is that The Ambassadors is in and amongst this lot. The Ambassadors wasn't afaik listed as being in that 1975 shipment. Which does make it more likely that these are therefore all Gibraltan episodes instead. Absolutely, 10 episodes would be about 20Kg - that's a heavier suitcase than I took on my most recent holiday. I'm not against them coming from Gibraltar but evidence for/against Australian censor cuts would certainly help. I just don't easily see how they could get from Gibraltar to Taiwan - although as they're mainly Season 6 perhaps it was T-Mat ? We start having to think about someone clearing out a storeroom in Gibraltar, finding a pile of film cans, passing (or selling) them to a collector who.........And eventually they ended up in Taiwan ! It's like believing three impossible things before breakfast.
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Post by malcolmostlere on Jan 18, 2014 12:28:33 GMT
Does anyone know the last year that the episodes found in Taiwan were shown in Gibraltar ?
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Post by johnforbes on Jan 18, 2014 13:15:46 GMT
Does anyone know the last year that the episodes found in Taiwan were shown in Gibraltar ? Ambassadors 7 screened on 12th March 1973 in Gibraltar.
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Post by John Wall on Jan 18, 2014 13:54:35 GMT
Would be good to see if the Ambassadors print has better chroma dots. I see an Ambassadors SE......
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Post by Rob Moss on Jan 18, 2014 14:27:00 GMT
It would only have better chroma dots if the print was a better quality print than the ones already held. There have been references to bad splices and mould, which does rather suggest the Taiwan prints are rather shabby, so I think this is unlikely.
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Post by John Wall on Jan 18, 2014 14:30:35 GMT
It would only have better chroma dots if the print was a better quality print than the ones already held. There have been references to bad splices and mould, which does rather suggest the Taiwan prints are rather shabby, so I think this is unlikely. Hmmmm.... Can you set up a "dislike" function please ?
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Post by Robert Lia on Jan 18, 2014 20:00:06 GMT
Did the BBC not retain the film negatives to The ambassadors of Death?
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Post by Jon Preddle on Jan 18, 2014 20:05:32 GMT
That's right. The Taiwan films can't have "better quality" chromodots because they'd have been struck from the master negative, which contains the same chromodots.
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Post by Robert Lia on Jan 18, 2014 20:14:53 GMT
That is what I thought. All these prints are needed for is to attempt to ascertain there original broadcasting source
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Post by Sue Butcher on Jan 19, 2014 0:25:42 GMT
That is what I thought. All these prints are needed for is to attempt to ascertain there original broadcasting source Well, except for the print of Enemy 6, which might not have the out-of-phase final film sequence. (Very unlikely, but just possible). I don't know about Marinus 6.
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Post by Simon Collis on Jan 19, 2014 1:19:40 GMT
That is what I thought. All these prints are needed for is to attempt to ascertain there original broadcasting source Well, except for the print of Enemy 6, which might not have the out-of-phase final film sequence. (Very unlikely, but just possible). I don't know about Marinus 6. If it did have the final film sequence in phase, what would be the implication? It was my assumption* that the film sequence was out of phase on transmission. *probably naive and incorrect
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