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Post by mattplace on Dec 20, 2013 6:07:48 GMT
Point 3 . This man has done more for Doctor Who, not Just missing Episodes, than many. It is completely unfair for you to post something like that, even labelling is as a question as you did. Post inflammatory statements like that if you have HARD evidence to back it up, not rumours and lies dating back decades. I have never met Ian Levine, probably never will, but like the accusations of PM holding back episodes , these people are being unfairly painted in a poor light, with little or no evidence to back it up... and this is why baseless rumours grow and eventually become "fact" in the eyes of some.. The Internet is a wonderful thing, but people really should think before they press enter Well since you mention it and with respect, Time Meddler 1,3 and Invasion Of The Dinosaurs 1... Yes, I know the 'reason' why, but they were still 'withheld'. I take your point, but with respect back, I disagree that he was "horading" as was implied in the original post. If you had lent me your property and came back to pick it up only to find out i'd given it to someone else i doubt you would be happy. As most of the rumours/heresay about IL over the years has become "fact".I remember reading somewhere that it was known that he had IOTD 1 by the BBC, this could be my memory cheating of course.
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Post by Robert Lia on Dec 20, 2013 6:17:45 GMT
AFRTS in the early 1970's also had TV stations in the state of Alaska believe it or not. Up in the wilderness where there was no TV stations and remote Army, Navy and Air Force bases so they could have been shown in the USA yes that is true. I have no idea about North Dakota though.
The thing that makes it all mysterious is if it indeed was a sale to the USA in a sale to AFRTS as much trouble as the BBC had cracking the US market you would think the USA would have received its own set of master prints of the episodes that were sold to the USA not some old used and possibly censored episodes. After all the USA was a new territory and as it paid the most in fees to the writer and the actors involved it would make séance for the BBC to provide AFRTS in Los Angeles with its own master prints to be distributed threw AFARTS affiliates.
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Post by Mark Vanderlinde-Abernathy on Dec 20, 2013 6:25:10 GMT
AFRTS in the early 1970's also had TV stations in the state of Alaska believe it or not. Up in the wilderness where there was no TV stations and remote Army, Navy and Air Force bases so they could have been shown in the USA yes that is true. I have no idea about North Dakota though. The thing that makes it all mysterious is if it indeed was a sale to the USA in a sale to AFRTS as much trouble as the BBC had cracking the US market you would think the USA would have received its own set of master prints of the episodes that were sold to the USA not some old used and possibly censored episodes. After all the USA was a new territory and as it paid the most in fees to the writer and the actors involved it would make séance for the BBC to provide AFRTS in Los Angeles with its own master prints to be distributed threw AFARTS affiliates. Do you know if Texas had a station? Fort Worth?
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Post by Robert Lia on Dec 20, 2013 6:52:37 GMT
Texas would have had plenty of regular US TV stations but AFRTS was for military overseas or in extremely remote areas only. Fort Worth is a medium sized city and would have been properly served by US Networks
An example of an isolated area would be Naval Station Guantanamo Bay, Cuba another example would be Naval Air Station Adak Alaska.
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Post by Greg Glenn on Dec 20, 2013 7:57:56 GMT
Here's something I posted in October under the General TV page. Guess it's not so silly after all.
***** As some of you may know, I live in Korea. Had a thought last week. As the UK participated in the Korean War and stationed a few troops in Korea afterward, would they have been sent television/radio programs on film/disc like the American forces had sent to them? As the subject line says, probably a crazy idea, but I'm trying to think outside the box. I've seen some mighty weird stuff at various flea markets in Seoul including two (!) 35mm Technicolor prints of reel 10 of the Ten Commandments (1956). Yes, just reel 10. Also found a dozen or so beautiful European tube table-model radios from the 1950s for sale at a junk shop. So things you wouldn't expect do show up here. I know the bulk of troops after the war were - and still are - American. There may not have been enough troops from the UK to warrant sending video/audio material. And I was just a stone's throw away from the British Embassy in Seoul today - wouldn't mind asking the ambassador for help with the search if I had to (lol). *******
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Post by Simon Luckin on Dec 20, 2013 8:06:17 GMT
Why not do it Greg? Ask the Ambassador for help. Ask anyone for help! Do your own detective work. Now that these 5 episodes have turned up it strikes me that every single avenue is worth exploring. After all, nothing ventured nothing gained. Go for it!!
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Post by stevehoare61 on Dec 20, 2013 8:06:57 GMT
Ian Levine is like Marmite and garners quite polarised reactions from fans. Personally, I dont care what he is like as a person, or his tactics, if he produces the goods, and like Phil Morris, he does, albeit radically differnt ways. Its ironice he finds more eps only to discover we already have them, but thats sods law, and at least we know these eps are still floating about in the most bizarre places. I hope all this dragging out announcements and witholding eps etc, isnt happening, because it doesnt actually do anything positive, if its back and found, tell us, theres not going to be a mass riot outside the BBC by crazed fans, and knowing its back and being restored creates a much happier atmosphere, than some of the viscious stuff
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Post by stevehoare61 on Dec 20, 2013 8:10:52 GMT
Ian Levine is like Marmite and garners quite polarised reactions from fans. Personally, I dont care what he is like as a person, or his tactics, if he produces the goods, and like Phil Morris, he does, albeit in radically differnt ways.We've a lot to be thankfull to Ian for and we should remember that. Its ironic he finds more eps only to discover we already have them, but thats sods law, and at least we know these eps are still floating about in the most bizarre places. I hope all this dragging out announcements and witholding eps etc, isnt happening, because it doesnt actually do anything positive at all, completely the opposite actually, so if its back and found, tell us, theres not going to be a mass riot outside the BBC by crazed fans, and knowing its back and being restored creates a much happier atmosphere, than some of the viscious stuff Ive seen on some of these fan sites.
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Post by stevehoare61 on Dec 20, 2013 8:12:05 GMT
Bugger, the PCs mucking about now.....
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Post by Simon Luckin on Dec 20, 2013 8:15:54 GMT
I've met Ian Levine many times Steve and he really is a great guy, totally dedicated and passionate about not only Dr Who but his music too. I really do have complete faith in him and I agree so much that I hate all the back-biting that goes on. People do seem to forget sometimes that had he not gone into BBC Enterprises in 1978 we'd have very very little on DVD to enjoy now.
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Post by Greg Glenn on Dec 20, 2013 8:18:31 GMT
I purchased a 1960s vintage Japanese pay telephone at a street flea market in Seoul last week. One gentlemen had a store just off from where the street vendors were. In the front corner of the store was a stack of 10 or so (rusting) 35mm cans with 5 or 6 smaller 16mm cans on top. I ended up buying an old soju bottle from him but did not have the chance to check out the cans. Too cold and the wife was tired. I am planning a trip back to those streets and his (and others) junk shops in the near future. I'll report my findings here if it's anything interesting.
Side note: speaking of ambassadors, a few weeks ago I spent a wonderful day with a large group of Irish. Irish participation in the Korean War battlefield tour. The Irish Ambassador to Korea was amongst those on the tour. Sat next to her on the bus. She and her husband drove me in the "official car" to the pub after the tour. Discussed beer with her at length. It was fun being the token American and hanging out with this lot. Wonderful day all around.
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Post by stevehoare61 on Dec 20, 2013 8:19:36 GMT
I completely agree with you. Ive never met him, but would like to, but I havent forgotten back in the early 80s, when we first saw the state of the Archives in that infamous list, who it was that made that list shrink. Now we have Phil and many others doing the same and its great.I personally believe there is more to come, maybe a few drips here and there, but after Web and Enemy, its all positive and gives something to look forward to.
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Post by Neil Lambess on Dec 20, 2013 8:23:41 GMT
I agree that the films are not from NZ. From a geographical perspective, Singapore is certainly a strong candidate. Sigh -- yet another revision for the Bicycling Chains! As Robert Lia has said above, if the series aired on one AFRTS station, it would have aired on others. And yet I've searched "Pacific Stars & Stripes" - the US military newspaper for the Asia / Pacific region - and the only DW listings I found for the 1970s were the Cushing Dalek movies. There were a lot of search returns for The War Games, but that is only to be expected in a military publication! And having now read the Twitter exchange above, there is a very high possibility that although the films were sent there, the eps didn't actually air on AFRTS. (Unless any markings on the film cans and reels irrefutably prove otherwise!!!) Many years ago in the BBC documentry SAILOR (about the Royal Navy aircraft carrier ARK ROYAL IV ) there was mention of the onboard Tv station..... ive heard from other sources that uk shows were provided to the Royal Navy overseas bases (although Sea Devils on ascenion island coud be part of that process, it may have been a special case as its the story that was made with the Royal Navys co-operation ) ...... during and post vietnam both the Royal Navy and RAF did extensive visits and tours in the pacific basin , there was a RAF base at Tengah in singapore and other bases in the areas.... there was a thread about this many years ago on here as well , (where i mentioned some of the above....) interesting to see its finally bourne fruit..... theyre out there somewhere........!
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Post by Neil Lambess on Dec 20, 2013 8:29:33 GMT
ooooppppps and forgot to mention the RAf and the Royal Navy ships , often left stuff behind for scrap .....(most of the DH Hornets they flew in Tengah were scrapped there and lots of stuff was left in stores when the base shut down..... i can easly see a ship leaving its "used " 16mm films and shows behind in say Taiwan , maybe as a "swap " for some new stuff from the yanks !...... did Ian post any pics of the actual labels? ? be odd if they were ex NZBC as we didnt screen season 6.....
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Post by Neil Lambess on Dec 20, 2013 8:33:27 GMT
Its highly doubtful that TV shows would be sent to a Department of Defense School for viewing in the class room. Now educational films are a completely different matter but I cant see any class taking 25 minutes a day for 10 days to watch The War Games? some bases had families stationed there tho....... (phillipines springs to mind ...) so its not unfeasible they were there as kids entertainment . the nz armed forces all had 16mm theatrical movies on their bases , (advertised with posters) for the both the on base staff and any families present
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