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Post by johnnyharley on Jul 21, 2014 18:28:35 GMT
How sure are we that Mr.Morris has found some episodes and is keeping them quiet? Is there inside knowledge or is it just guesses?
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Post by shellyharman67 on Jul 21, 2014 18:33:51 GMT
How sure are we that Mr.Morris has found some episodes and is keeping them quiet? Is there inside knowledge or is it just guesses? Where have you been J ? Wait and see like the rest of us. There are 2 camps ! So get a marsh Mallow and sit by the fire like the rest of us until the show starts Seriously though, just read what has been going on and make your own mind up. Thats all one can do. The yes camp can no more prove their case than the no camp ! Thats just the way it is. I guess we should enjoy season 8 and time will tell
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Post by John Green on Jul 21, 2014 21:07:06 GMT
No, he has said that he doesn't want to prejudice the current project. "The wind is blowing in the right direction" is the nearest thing to a direct confirmation of anything (this was in answer to whether he has found any more episodes of Dr Who.) /edit: He has since said that TIEA have their own in-house restoration team. This is likely to be handling client assets in my opinion, but this was not clear from his answer. You don't need a weatherman To know which way the wind blows. (Subterranean Homesick Blues). I knew there was a Dylan quote. So...which way is the wind blowing? Any weathermen out there?
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Post by Jon Preddle on Jul 21, 2014 21:33:12 GMT
Yes. But the Bicycling Chain to Ehtiopia was only a guess by those working with the information. It has never been confirmed, but if he has Programme Traffic Records, then it probably has been. Either to Ethiopia or to the UK. That's right; Sierra to Ethiopia was only ever a best-guess scenario by analysing the available data -- although some seem to read the fates on the site as concrete fact despite the frequent use of the words "possibly" , "maybe", "likely" throughout the text. I've been trying to finish my latest iteration of the chains, but in light of Phil's comment, it looks like I've got even more revising to do.
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Post by Nicholas Fitzpatrick on Jul 21, 2014 22:08:11 GMT
Yes. But the Bicycling Chain to Ehtiopia was only a guess by those working with the information. It has never been confirmed, but if he has Programme Traffic Records, then it probably has been. Either to Ethiopia or to the UK. That's right; Sierra to Ethiopia was only ever a best-guess scenario by analysing the available data -- although some seem to read the fates on the site as concrete fact despite the frequent use of the words "possibly" , "maybe", "likely" throughout the text. I've been trying to finish my latest iteration of the chains, but in light of Phil's comment, it looks like I've got even more revising to do. Though, given the vageuness of the response, it's not clear if Phil was referring to the initial 1967/68 run of Season 2 that you speculated had been bicycled elsewhere, or of the later Season 3 material which had been speculated to have stayed in Sierra Leone. Until access is available to Phil's research treasures, it's probably just idle speculation!
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Post by Robbie Moubert on Jul 22, 2014 1:31:54 GMT
Though, given the vageuness of the response, it's not clear if Phil was referring to the initial 1967/68 run of Season 2 that you speculated had been bicycled elsewhere, or of the later Season 3 material which had been speculated to have stayed in Sierra Leone. I don't see much vagueness in the following quote (my emphasis): "...I have visited Sierra Leonne and I do posses their programme traffic records. I can tell you all Doctor Who prints were sent back to London in 1974."
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Post by Nicholas Fitzpatrick on Jul 22, 2014 4:45:29 GMT
Yes, I guess that's pretty clear. I just assumed that it mean all remaining prints. Leaving the possibility that some had been bicycled elsewhere or returned to London after Season 1 and 2 aired in 1967/68.
But yes, the simple reading is that all 111 episodes were returned to London in 1974.
Either way, it eliminates the possibility of any missing episodes having survived in Sierra Leone.
Though that does raise the question of later sightings. On the other hand we have had several Hartnell and Troughton sightings in Canada and the USA in the late 1960s or early-mid-1970s with absolutely no shred of evidence ever turning up that any were there - and no pattern to sightings. I'm afraid some sightings just don't have any basis to them.
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Post by David Fade on Jul 22, 2014 7:02:28 GMT
Yes, I'm afraid some sightings just don't have any basis to them. A lot like the numerous Nessie sightings don't you think haha?!
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Post by Nigel Lamb on Jul 22, 2014 8:34:48 GMT
Though, given the vageuness of the response, it's not clear if Phil was referring to the initial 1967/68 run of Season 2 that you speculated had been bicycled elsewhere, or of the later Season 3 material which had been speculated to have stayed in Sierra Leone. I don't see much vagueness in the following quote (my emphasis): "...I have visited Sierra Leonne and I do posses their programme traffic records. I can tell you all Doctor Who prints were sent back to London in 1974." It could be read as he is telling ALL OF US that Dr who episodes were returned in 1974, not necessarily all of them.
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Post by Chris Whitehead on Jul 22, 2014 9:56:31 GMT
How sure are we that Mr.Morris has found some episodes and is keeping them quiet? Is there inside knowledge or is it just guesses? One thing I often wonder, if the large haul/omnirumour is true and we have to bide our time, why pick Enemy and Web as the two initial reveals? Were they just found first so were restored first? Was Enemy the only complete story in the haul? If it's a "large haul", then you would expect there to be more complete stories or completion of partial stories, so why then release Web with an episode still missing? It's the release of Web with an episode missing that makes me think that really is all that was found. (initially, there may now be more of course).
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Post by Robbie Moubert on Jul 22, 2014 13:56:56 GMT
It could be read as he is telling ALL OF US that Dr who episodes were returned in 1974, not necessarily all of them. And this is why Philip Morris is probably better off saying nothing at all.
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Post by johnnyharley on Jul 22, 2014 17:22:00 GMT
I know the situation, Shell, but I remember that a lot of people already knew that Enemy and Web had been recovered before the big announcement last year! I just wondered if any insiders had the big scoop at all? Probably not and what ever happened to the Marco Polo rumours?
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Post by Daniel Hornby on Jul 23, 2014 19:46:29 GMT
The last question was whether there would be any kind of announcement late in 2014. The answer: "There are no announcements in the pipeline at present". I don't think that's necessarily something to get upset about. At the end of the day, an announcement of this nature requires more than one party to agree on the time etc.. He therefore is not going to say "Yes there is an announcement" if there is because obviously that pre-empts the BBC, who are of course the copyright holders of the material on the film cans. That would only aggravate the corporation. By saying nothing on the Q&A to that question he would also have given people a very similar answer, albeit by his silence. The only answer I believe he could have given would be "no, nothing's happening yet". It doesn't upset other parties and doesn't compromise his business either.
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Post by Daniel Hornby on Jul 23, 2014 19:48:11 GMT
I don't see much vagueness in the following quote (my emphasis): "...I have visited Sierra Leonne and I do posses their programme traffic records. I can tell you all Doctor Who prints were sent back to London in 1974." It could be read as he is telling ALL OF US that Dr who episodes were returned in 1974, not necessarily all of them. I think that a "that" was needed in the sentence to give us the definitive answer, either placed before "all" or after it.
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Post by George D on Jul 23, 2014 21:11:49 GMT
I think that the omni rumor is just that. .. .. and if I'm wrong, I'll be glad to eat my hat. Comments about the wind can get peoples hope you and if told by a, reliable source, could morph into the omnirumor. Looks hopeful for more, but as pm said, I'll believe it when I see it
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