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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2013 18:40:21 GMT
Your guess is as good as mine, Paul! This is the BBC, after all and they took long enough to even log the Bob Pratt material properly! Who knows how much other material sits there, waiting to be "known about"?!
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Post by Chris Barratt on Aug 10, 2013 17:17:08 GMT
This performance of Woodstock would have been a superb addition the pre-lunacy Sounds Of The Seventies 2 series that's for sure
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Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2013 8:56:36 GMT
Yes, I've always said there's a whole load of forgotten / unknown stuff the BBC could utilise in compilations. The Woodstock clip is an important one but - like so much other material - just sits on a shelf, not properly catalogued and wasted. Tragic that the BBC still don't realise the value of / maximise the use of their own material. So much stuff has been junked in the past and yet when valuable material like this surfaces and is seen to survive after all, the BBC don't seem to care one way or the other.
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Post by Alan Turrell on Aug 11, 2013 10:28:34 GMT
A very nice clip great sound to , thanks for posting this i have the Matthew's southern comfort - The essential collection cd and in my opinion this great song stands head and shoulders above the rest of the cd but in all fairness maybe i need to play it more often.
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Post by Matthew North on Aug 15, 2013 9:56:45 GMT
Andy is a friend and my neighbour as well as the MSC Bass player back then. I have seen the tape he has, its an insert of 2 tracks 3 takes of woodstock and 2 takes of another song called Darcey farrow. and is from Disco 2.
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Post by Christopher Perry on Aug 15, 2013 12:58:06 GMT
BBC say:
Yes, we have always had this.
It’s slightly odd, the band performed these tracks on the 25/07/70 edition of the show, but the project number and recording number on the clock don’t match those on the PasB paperwork, and the material is logged under 11/07/70. However it seems unlikely they would have had to come back and do their set again, so it must be the same performance.
So in short, 11.7.1970 is wrong in Lostshows - that material is missing, but 25.7.1970 the inserts exist and always have done. I thought it must exist when the youtube clip has an invision timecode.
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Post by Paul Watkins on Aug 15, 2013 13:07:32 GMT
Thanks for clearing this up Chris
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Post by Liam Joseph on Aug 15, 2013 13:20:47 GMT
BBC say: Yes, we have always had this. The BBC are a mystery wrapped in an enigma. They have pristine footage of an iconic number one hit single: "Nah, nobody would want to see that, let's show Baby Love or Starman again!"
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Post by Liam Joseph on Aug 19, 2013 13:28:28 GMT
Just as an update, I emailed MSC bass player Andy Leigh asking about this footage. Andy replied saying he had got it from a 'source' who he checked with and who confirmed that the two recordings exist on broadcast format tapes at the BBC.
I've sent an enquiry to the BBC asking why they appear not to have broadcast the footage. Perhaps if we all pester them enough it might finally surface on TOTP2 or Sounds of the 70s?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 19, 2013 13:40:39 GMT
Well, it might be more worthwhile asking why they don't broadcast all the pop material sitting in the BBC archive (both Disco 2 and otherwise) which has the same status as the Southern Comfort clips (i.e. generally not known about, not properly catalogued and not considered for broadcast compilations).
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Post by Liam Joseph on Aug 19, 2013 14:02:43 GMT
That's true Laurence, there is a bigger picture. The MSC footage does seem a pretty glaring case as it was a big number one single from an era where the BBC's archive is sketchy to say the least so it seems mystifying why it hasn't been screened. Maybe if one such obvious example ends up being shown, the light bulb might come on with the appropriate people at the BBC that they should try and track down and itemise everything they have. Don't hold your breath obviously.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 19, 2013 15:45:17 GMT
I won't! There's more generally unknown Disco 2 material as well (no list of specific contents, I'm afraid, but I understand there's a fair bit) so the MSC clips are merely an illustration of much historically interesting footage that's just ignored. I'm sure that it isn't the only show where there is such material either.
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Post by Liam Joseph on Aug 19, 2013 16:21:30 GMT
That's intriguing about there being more Disco 2 footage Laurence. It would be great to see that as they featured a whole load of terrific bands, I would list them but I'd only start crying. To me a better line-up than the Old Grey Whistle Test which replaced it. Since the MSC footage exists you wonder whether they have the Mighty Baby and Savoy Brown sessions that I think were on the same show.
I know Stuart Maconie is quite a fan of 'underground' music from that late 60s early 70s era, so I might contact him and see if I can pique his interest to bang some heads together at the Beeb and get this stuff traced and shown!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 19, 2013 16:44:26 GMT
Always worth a try!
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Post by Chris Barratt on Aug 19, 2013 17:07:16 GMT
I suspect there is still quite a bit of uncatalogued inserts and even some complete shows that have not been logged, even for a high profile show such as Top Of The Pops. It will probably require someone with a bit of 'clout' to do some serious research of the archive.
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