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Post by Alex Taylor on Jun 20, 2013 19:15:59 GMT
Off the top of my head, this is what they had-but-are-known-to-have-junked:
The Daleks, either ep 4 or ep 5 on 35mm Planet of Giants:3 on 35mm The Crusade:1 on 16mm DMP:4 on 16mm Power:6 on 35mm Ice Warriors:3 on 16mm Wheel:5 on 35mm
The 'Toymaker' material was on 35mm, and was not a complete episode, just the last few minutes of one, copied onto film to be played into the studio recording of the next episode.
There is a slim possibility that they did hold Toymaker 1-3 and Gunfighters 1-3 on 35mm - the paperwork is inconclusive as to whether these were held on videotape (probably) or film (just possibly). If they were film, the paperwork relating to the library's holdings for them hasn't been located to the best of my knowledge.
With the exception of the DMP episode, all were junked. I don't believe paperwork for the first two episodes on that list exists, but I could be wrong. We do know both episodes were recorded onto 35mm film, so the library must have held them at some point.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 20, 2013 19:35:48 GMT
Off the top of my head, this is what they had-but-are-known-to-have-junked: The Daleks, either ep 4 or ep 5 on 35mm Planet of Giants:3 on 35mm The Crusade:1 on 16mm DMP:4 on 16mm Power:6 on 35mm Ice Warriors:3 on 16mm Wheel:5 on 35mm The 'Toymaker' material was on 35mm, and was not a complete episode, just the last few minutes of one, copied onto film to be played into the studio recording of the next episode. There is a slim possibility that they did hold Toymaker 1-3 and Gunfighters 1-3 on 35mm - the paperwork is inconclusive as to whether these were held on videotape (probably) or film (just possibly). If they were film, the paperwork relating to the library's holdings for them hasn't been located to the best of my knowledge. With the exception of the DMP episode, all were junked. I don't believe paperwork for the first two episodes on that list exists, but I could be wrong. We do know both episodes were recorded onto 35mm film, so the library must have held them at some point. I agree i thought the Toymaker episode 1 was complete thought. I had just checked Brad Philips website about missing episodes also known as The Destruction Of Time I went to the part where it said What Is Missing page of the blog. Scrolled down where i stopped at 35mm episodes and it talks about these episodes you just said. Except about the few minutes of Toymaker 1 and it doesn't say what happened to them. And records do exist for Planet Of Giant 3 being junked on 31 of January, 1969. And it was episode 4 of The Dakeks not 5. Also besides The Planet Of Giants and The Daleks. Don't you find funny out of 6 episodes that were suppose to be in the library but junked that only 1 of those episodes have come back and that is The Crusade Episode 1 The Lion?And that was only recover of a very slim chance. After it being save from destruction!
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Post by Sue Butcher on Jun 20, 2013 23:37:15 GMT
I doubt that the Lion 1 found in NZ was from the BBC Film Library; it was a sales copy which would have been sent by BBC Enterprises.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 20, 2013 23:46:28 GMT
I doubt that the Lion 1 found in NZ was from the BBC Film Library; it was a sales copy which would have been sent by BBC Enterprises. We already know it wasn't.
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Post by Sue Butcher on Jun 22, 2013 2:07:00 GMT
Sorry. I'll stop stating the obvious.
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Post by Neil Lambess on Jun 22, 2013 7:18:50 GMT
Sorry. I'll stop stating the obvious. Pease dont stop Sue....... when i was tracking down the Lion I was told by Several people that it couldnt possibly be in NZ because we had never purchased the story... if I had believed them i would have given up...... it was only after i located it , that people did some exceptional research to find out exactly how it had arrived in NZ
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Post by Paul McDermott on Jun 22, 2013 8:40:25 GMT
Sorry. I'll stop stating the obvious. Pease dont stop Sue....... when i was tracking down the Lion I was told by Several people that it couldnt possibly be in NZ because we had never purchased the story... if I had believed them i would have given up...... it was only after i located it , that people did some exceptional research to find out exactly how it had arrived in NZ A bit hard to argue against the existence of a black swan like that when you're sneezing from a hooter full of its feathers!
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Post by Steven Sigel on Jun 22, 2013 20:27:07 GMT
Neil - wasn't it sold to NZ, just never screened? The print is now safely in my film library - scratches, splices, creases and all....
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Post by Deleted on Jun 22, 2013 20:33:16 GMT
Neil - wasn't it sold to NZ, just never screened? The print is now safely in my film library - scratches, splices, creases and all.... Yea that what happened. I thought everyone already knew that.
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Post by Jon Preddle on Jun 22, 2013 20:44:20 GMT
Neil - wasn't it sold to NZ, just never screened? The print is now safely in my film library - scratches, splices, creases and all.... It was offered, the prints received and viewed by the censor, it didn't go to air, so no "sale" occurred - i.e. no money was exchanged.
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Post by stevendoig on Jun 22, 2013 20:59:48 GMT
Neil - wasn't it sold to NZ, just never screened? The print is now safely in my film library - scratches, splices, creases and all.... Yea that what happened. I thought everyone already knew that. Sean, without trying to suggest stuff to the mods, you really should cut out your obnoxious know it all attitude, its putting me off coming here, and I would imagine others.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 22, 2013 21:06:47 GMT
Yea that what happened. I thought everyone already knew that. Sean, without trying to suggest stuff to the mods, you really should cut out your obnoxious know it all attitude, its putting me off coming here, and I would imagine others. Oh im sorry I didn't mean to be obnoxious
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Post by Alex Taylor on Jun 22, 2013 21:12:06 GMT
Neil - wasn't it sold to NZ, just never screened? The print is now safely in my film library - scratches, splices, creases and all.... Oh, so that's where it eventually wound up :-) I always wondered who'd bought it in the end. Which reminds me - did we ever discover any more about that print of 'A Land of Fear' from last year?
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Post by Steven Sigel on Jun 23, 2013 2:28:23 GMT
Neil - wasn't it sold to NZ, just never screened? The print is now safely in my film library - scratches, splices, creases and all.... Oh, so that's where it eventually wound up :-) I always wondered who'd bought it in the end. Which reminds me - did we ever discover any more about that print of 'A Land of Fear' from last year? The Lion originally was sold at auction in NZ - I was the second highest bidder, and I've now forgotten who got it (although I did talk to him at the time). It then showed up rather quickly on ebay and someone else bought it (again, I can't remember who - my memory is shot these days) -- he kept it for several years and then sold it to me. As for "The Land of Fear" -- unfortunately we were never able to get in touch with the buyer (at least as far as I know) so no one got to take a good look at the print. Paul V thinks it's original based on the can it was in, but I wasn't quite so sure based on the fact that it has identical stock markings as my print which would indicate that at some point in the past they were both copies of another print - or that mine was a copy of that one. It may be that the print at the BBC and the print that was sold were both actually reversals from an interpos rather than from a neg. Without seeing the print, it's very hard to know.
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Post by Alex Taylor on Jun 23, 2013 9:52:10 GMT
Thanks, Steven :-)
Isn't the BBC's print the actual one returned from Cyprus, though, and thus presumably the print they were originally sent in the 60s/70s? I'd have assumed it was a straight print-from-negative in that case.
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