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Post by richardwoods on Jun 14, 2013 19:45:41 GMT
I would think that the majority of us would too Mark!
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Post by Vaughan Stanger on Jun 14, 2013 19:49:18 GMT
The rumour has now migrated to io9.com, which has around 89k Twitter followers, so it's well and truly out of the domain of missing episode enthusiasts like us. I wonder whether the BBC will eventually feel obliged to respond?
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Post by Mark Vanderlinde-Abernathy on Jun 14, 2013 19:56:40 GMT
io9 is an amalgamation of dozens of amaturish and professional writers (which I hope one day to be a part of honestly). They've posted articles that have been proven incorrect before. io9 is just reporting on the rumor because Bleeding Cool has and it's become a voracious subject of debate in our community.
But as you mention, they have a HUGE following. io9 is more of a Geek News website that has many followers. This has reached a new level of awareness that's going to quickly get out of hand.
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Post by Crawford.P on Jun 14, 2013 20:03:42 GMT
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Post by Mark Vanderlinde-Abernathy on Jun 14, 2013 20:08:35 GMT
... there's not really a difference between a fan making a tweet or forum post about this rumor and a fan making a video for YouTube about this rumor.
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Post by Vaughan Stanger on Jun 14, 2013 20:08:38 GMT
But as you mention, they have a HUGE following. io9 is more of a Geek News website that has many followers. This has reached a new level of awareness that's going to quickly get out of hand. Yes, that's exactly my point. Reading the rumour on io9 makes it no less (or more) true. But other, even bigger, non-DW-specific "news" sites will pick up on it and before long it will be everywhere. Someone will ask the BBC to comment. Eventually they will. I'm not getting my hopes up.
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Post by Martin Kinsella on Jun 14, 2013 20:10:40 GMT
You do realize that if these episodes DO turn up,it will be SUCH an anti-climax.Arguing about whether they have turned up or if it's a hoax or not,is so much more interesting than having them actually turn up!The only thing that worries me,and what makes me very dubious about the whole topic is the wildly fluctuating number of episodes that seem to have been found- 1,2,4 or 42 episodes depending on who is in the know or what well connected sources they've spoken to. I do not think we need worry about them turning up, more's the pity. We know the rumour was debunked by Paul on GBASE.
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Post by richardwoods on Jun 14, 2013 20:13:51 GMT
Will be interesting to see how this all pans out no the less....
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Post by richardwoods on Jun 14, 2013 20:14:27 GMT
Should say non the less, sorry.
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Post by John Wall on Jun 14, 2013 20:19:38 GMT
A certain amount that's been written is asking for proof of a negative - which is very difficult to do. Nobody can prove that there isn't a cache of missing Hartnell's somewhere, just waiting to be returned. We know that some prints were "liberated" on their way to the skip and there may be more out there.
We also know that there are dedicated people out there checking paperwork, following leads, etc - >99% of which turn out to be dry holes. Perhaps one day the likes of Paul will share some more of the details but, besides UM2 and Airlock, there have been a few (not missing) Dr Who prints found in recent years - I have a recollection of Paul explaining how a seemingly unpromising lead resulted in an episode of The Romans.
So, let's be realistic and not expect Paul, et al to keep popping up and saying that nothing has been found. After all they could be close to getting their hands on something.
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Post by David Robinson on Jun 14, 2013 20:54:46 GMT
I do not think we need worry about them turning up, more's the pity. We know the rumour was debunked by Paul on GBASE. You keep saying that but you keep ignoring the reasons why people think otherwise. Popping up on here repeatedly saying the same thing makes it look like you are stirring for another reaction.
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Post by Martin Kinsella on Jun 14, 2013 21:16:57 GMT
I do not think we need worry about them turning up, more's the pity. We know the rumour was debunked by Paul on GBASE. You keep saying that but you keep ignoring the reasons why people think otherwise. Popping up on here repeatedly saying the same thing makes it look like you are stirring for another reaction. Dave, I am just trying to get people to see the truth here. I suspect there is a lot of parsing and fan wishful thinking going on. Nobody would be happier than me if it was true but nothing I have seen tells me it is and Paul has tried to nip it in the bud. People can think otherwise but they are trying to read too much into it.
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Post by David Robinson on Jun 14, 2013 21:24:40 GMT
The trouble is Paul ignored any follow up questions, valid ones at that, and therefore left it open to wider interpretation. All he needed to say was no episodes have been returned or are in negotiation to be returned and have their whereabouts known to those doing the searching. The fact (and you cant deny it) that he only said "nothing has been returned or is currently being worked on" has done nothing to stop this rumour going from small message board chatter to something far bigger. Indeed, what I heard last night from someone very well known in the missing episode circles makes me think that this could either be the stuff of dreams or the biggest nightmare since the original junkings.
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Post by tonyrichards on Jun 14, 2013 21:45:28 GMT
Bigger is not better though David... rumour wise it just gets everyones hopes and expectations up to be cruelly dashed. I have just had a txt message naming stories through on my mobile... Not from the source I mentioned before but it shows how quickly things are spreading... The worry is we are all going to be left with the "I told you so-ers" sniggering behind their hands. As i previosly said, let's wait and see. If something does hooray, if not, at least I can listen to missing episodes of my show and know that what I can see will be of beautiful quality.
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Post by Tim Burrows on Jun 14, 2013 21:45:54 GMT
Why should anyone from the RT or BBC feel obliged to play down rumours? Over on GB, it is out of control. Any statement is turned around, or picked to bits, experts are called liars, people are bemoaning a two class structure because the RT get to watch stuff before anyone else!!! Someone over there even felt it proper to start having a pop at their quality of restoration. The mods can't play down rumours because they get accused of being on the pay roll. So when Paul takes the trouble to wade in and knock it down, this becomes ammunition to the lunatics because of what he hasn't said?
The World's gone mad. The only weight to this rumour is the volume of posts - nothing, repeat nothing is grounded in fact... (yet)
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