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Post by Jon Preddle on Feb 6, 2013 8:13:22 GMT
So why reuse the end of unused version of The Daleks 1 instead of the proper one? Or remount? Re-enacting might not have been practical, given limited studio space for one small shot in the corridor, and time to line up the required shots. Or maybe they no longer had the sucker arm prop to use. Since they had to make a copy of the scene, there may have been a practical or an economic reason to use the original rather than the remount. Waste not want not?
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Post by Brad Phipps on Feb 6, 2013 8:37:44 GMT
So why reuse the end of unused version of The Daleks 1 instead of the proper one? Or remount? Re-enacting might not have been practical, given limited studio space for one small shot in the corridor, and time to line up the required shots. Or maybe they no longer had the sucker arm prop to use. Since they had to make a copy of the scene, there may have been a practical or an economic reason to use the original rather than the remount. Waste not want not? If the original was already on 35mm it would make sense...? Clearly the audio problems that forced the remount wasn't present in that scene.
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Post by Alex Taylor on Feb 6, 2013 10:22:42 GMT
So why reuse the end of unused version of The Daleks 1 instead of the proper one? Or remount? The remount took place a couple of weeks after episode 2 had been taped.
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Post by Gordon Roxburgh on Feb 6, 2013 10:24:29 GMT
Surely the answer is much more simple?
When they recorded Episode 2, the only film available to the production team at the time for the telecine insert was from the original recording of Episode 1.
The remount of Episode 1 hadn't yet taken place at the time of the recording of Episode 2. Which I think didn't taken place until after Episode 3 had been recorded.
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Post by Robbie Moubert on Feb 6, 2013 16:39:37 GMT
I may be making this up but isn't it the case that, sometimes, after recordiing the main episode, they would remount the cliffhanger and this would then be played-in the following week?
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Post by Jon Preddle on Feb 6, 2013 20:27:28 GMT
Surely the answer is much more simple? When they recorded Episode 2, the only film available to the production team at the time for the telecine insert was from the original recording of Episode 1. The remount of Episode 1 hadn't yet taken place at the time of the recording of Episode 2. Which I think didn't taken place until after Episode 3 had been recorded. Yes, that seems likely, and falls into my "practical" category.
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Post by Rowan Abblitt on Feb 6, 2013 20:58:10 GMT
I just looked over The Smugglers clips, and at the end of the last clip for Episode 3 the credits music can be heard (I'm only referring to the clip because I don't have the audio). Is this clip repeated at the beginning of Episode 4 or was it re-filmed (from the list on the previous page, though, I'm assuming it was re-filmed). Just thought I'd ask
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Post by Jon Preddle on Feb 6, 2013 21:24:08 GMT
Is this clip repeated at the beginning of Episode 4 or was it re-filmed (from the list on the previous page, though, I'm assuming it was re-filmed). The camera scripts indicate it was re-enacted.
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Post by R. Williams on Feb 6, 2013 22:11:51 GMT
Two questions: How many scripts do you have? How much beer does one have to buy you to get copies? Scripts of missing episodes (plus the ones for extant episodes from otherwise missing serials) are included as PDFs in the recent "Lost TV Episodes" audio boxsets.
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Post by Brad Phipps on Feb 6, 2013 22:14:19 GMT
Surely the answer is much more simple? When they recorded Episode 2, the only film available to the production team at the time for the telecine insert was from the original recording of Episode 1. The remount of Episode 1 hadn't yet taken place at the time of the recording of Episode 2. Which I think didn't taken place until after Episode 3 had been recorded. Cheers, I forgot Ep1's remount was a few weeks later.
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Post by Jon Preddle on Feb 6, 2013 22:18:45 GMT
Two questions: How many scripts do you have? How much beer does one have to buy you to get copies? Scripts of missing episodes (plus the ones for extant episodes from otherwise missing serials) are included as PDFs in the recent "Lost TV Episodes" audio boxsets. What he said! But you can still buy me a beer!
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Post by Brad Phipps on Feb 6, 2013 22:35:52 GMT
Scripts of missing episodes (plus the ones for extant episodes from otherwise missing serials) are included as PDFs in the recent "Lost TV Episodes" audio boxsets. What he said! But you can still buy me a beer! Only if you by me the audio collection first! Damn, now I feel like a beer.
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Post by jcoleman on Feb 7, 2013 0:17:05 GMT
That is absolutely marvellous, thank you so much! I will check out any you have put 'Unknown' for or anything 'From memory' which shouldn't take too long just to make sure nothings been missed. Thanks again! You're welcome and thanks to Brad and Jon for their kind words too. From the list, it looks like the DWM Archives are a good source to check. The gaps in the list probably mirror the gaps in my DWM collection, as I used to buy it and then stopped when the Internet became the best source for news and only bought the occasional edition like those with the Marco Polo telesnaps. I seem to recall the Complete First Doctor and Complete Second Doctor specials included updates and corrections to the Archive articles, so they'd be worth checking too. Has Andrew Pixley ever collected all the archives into a book? It also occurs to me that the "Daleks conquer and destroy" clip from episode 5 of The Power of the Daleks is from the cliffhanger and is reprised in episode 6. I assume it is, but can anyone confirm that this is the same footage? If so, does the full clip appear in both. I have a vague recollection that the reprise in episode 6 is shorter.
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Post by Sue Butcher on Feb 7, 2013 12:35:08 GMT
You could tell if it was the same footage by looking at framing of the background through the door on the telesnaps. If it was redone, the camera wouldn't be in exactly the same place, and you'd get a slightly different view.
(Later) The photos don't show the door, but the Dalek cutouts are in exactly the same position relative to the backdrop. So it looks like the beginning of Ep. 6 was the same footage as the end of Ep. 5.
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Post by jcoleman on Feb 7, 2013 23:36:14 GMT
Continuing with the Power of the Daleks, there is a quite lengthy reprise of the the Dalek production line sequence from the end of episode 4 in episode 5. Does the clip of the finished Daleks on the conveyor belt and the two Tomorrow's World clips of them assembling appear in both?
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