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Post by Jon Preddle on Feb 4, 2013 17:54:30 GMT
I agree. Which makes me thinks the camera scripts of Trap of Steel are not accurate when they don't list the shot of the Rill. The camera scripts by their very definition record all the shot changes and camera moves, as drawn up by the director. There is no final shot of a Rill at the end of ep2. If there was, there would be a camera assigned to capture that shot. There isn't. What we would have seen is Vicki turn to camera, scream, the camera move in to a close up of her wide open eyes, superimpose caption, fade to black. Vicki sees something, we just don' see what that something is until the opening shot of the next episode. It's very similar to end of ep 1 of The Daleks, where Barbara sees something out of view, she screams, fade to black end of episode... It's very economical tension; and a hook for the audience to want to watch the following week. (It also saves the BBC money by not having to hire an extra to wear the Rill costume for all of five seconds!)
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Post by R. Williams on Feb 4, 2013 20:33:22 GMT
The camera scripts aren't always correct. I seem to recall that there is nothing in the script for The Macra Terror Episode 1 concerning the opening with the titles superimposed over Medok's wide-eyed stare.
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Post by Jon Preddle on Feb 4, 2013 20:48:04 GMT
The camera scripts aren't always correct. I seem to recall that there is nothing in the script for The Macra Terror Episode 1 concerning the opening with the titles superimposed over Medok's wide-eyed stare. Captions aren't camera moves! The placement of the caption can be changed late in the day if the director decides it looks better superimposed over a shot different to the one he had originally planned. That is quite different to planning a shot involving a rather large and cumbersome monster prop in a cramped studio! If the camera script doesn't include a cutaway shot of the Rill, I think it's reasonable to accept there wasn't one. Remember, this is 'as live' recordings, and the camera scripts were carefully rehearsed. If the Rill costume wasn't needed for ep2, it wouldn't have been in the studio.
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Post by R. Williams on Feb 4, 2013 21:32:08 GMT
The Rill wasn't seen in episode 2, no. The last shot (as per the camera script) is a close up of Vicki's eyes. However, take a look at the script for episode 3: I've cropped out the gaps, but the important part is "end of repeat insert".
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Post by Richard Tipple on Feb 4, 2013 21:53:03 GMT
Very interesting. I can't wait to watch Air Lock and compare the audio and imagine how it might have looked!
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Post by Jon Preddle on Feb 4, 2013 22:04:51 GMT
However, take a look at the script for episode 3: I've cropped out the gaps, but the important part is "end of repeat insert". Normally, if they've used footage from the previous ep, this is usually assigned the code TELECINE and there wouldn't be any camera moves noted. Both scripts list camera moves: for Vicki shrieking, ep 2 uses camera move 3J16, the same scene in ep 3 uses move 3A5. There is also a BOOM reference for the sound man in the ep 3 script. The use of the term "INSERT" is misleading. From the existence of the codes in the ep3 c/s, I think this is a re-enactment of the end of ep 2, but with the addition of the Rill, rather than re-use of footage from ep 2.
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Post by R. Williams on Feb 4, 2013 22:38:20 GMT
Okay having compared the audio recordings you're quite right, they are different performances. I could have sworn that when I saw the episode at MBW that it looked like a double FR though. Oh well, sorry to have led you on this wild goose chase!
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Post by John Green on Feb 4, 2013 22:46:45 GMT
It's fine,of course.You made a point,and offered evidence to back it up.That gave someone else a chance to check/refute it.Just how it should be done!
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Post by Jon Preddle on Feb 4, 2013 22:53:57 GMT
Oh well, sorry to have led you on this wild goose chase! Not at all. It gave me the excuse to fish out and look over those old scripts!
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Post by George D on Feb 4, 2013 23:22:47 GMT
I actually enjoyed the read.
I believe Mr Kings recollection of the end of fury from the deep has the camera going up away from the tardis. I believe that LC did it differently.
How does the script read?
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Post by R. Williams on Feb 4, 2013 23:36:59 GMT
As that footage will have been a filmed insert, it most likely isn't detailed on the camera script.
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Post by Jon Preddle on Feb 4, 2013 23:40:33 GMT
I believe Mr Kings recollection of the end of fury from the deep has the camera going up away from the tardis. I believe that LC did it differently. How does the script read? The scripts for both Fury 6 and Wheel 1 say "We see the TARDIS on the beach as it de-materialises". But when it came to film this, the TARDIS was instead on the surface of the ocean, and rose up into the air before de-materialising. On the TARDIS monitor we see Victoria on the beach slowly receding away, matching the visuals of the TARDIS was flying upwards. The same footage of the departing TARDIS and Victoria was used in Fury 6 and Wheel 1. I remember seeing this 'shrinking' shot of Victoria when Wheel 1 aired in NZ in 1971. Fury didn't screen in NZ, so this was all we got for Victoria's departure from the series. (Actually, my memory of it was of *two* people visible on the monitor. The memory cheats!)
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Post by Brad Phipps on Feb 5, 2013 0:32:00 GMT
I believe Mr Kings recollection of the end of fury from the deep has the camera going up away from the tardis. I believe that LC did it differently. How does the script read? The scripts for both Fury 6 and Wheel 1 say "We see the TARDIS on the beach as it de-materialises". But when it came to film this, the TARDIS was instead on the surface of the ocean, and rose up into the air before de-materialising. On the TARDIS monitor we see Victoria on the beach slowly receding away, matching the visuals of the TARDIS was flying upwards. The same footage of the departing TARDIS and Victoria was used in Fury 6 and Wheel 1. I remember seeing this 'shrinking' shot of Victoria when Wheel 1 aired in NZ in 1971. Fury didn't screen in NZ, so this was all we got for Victoria's departure from the series. (Actually, my memory of it was of *two* people visible on the monitor. The memory cheats!) I always found it funny how the Tardis landed at sea in ep1, by ep3 the Tardis had beached itself but then by ep6 it was floating back out at sea!
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Post by John Green on Feb 5, 2013 1:20:56 GMT
The tide,obviously!
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Post by Sue Butcher on Feb 5, 2013 1:29:59 GMT
The Tardis takeoff in "Fury" 6 might have been part of the landing sequence film run backwards. They used this trick a lot in "Tomb" to save filming time.
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