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Post by Jaspal Cheema on Nov 30, 2012 13:31:34 GMT
Er...lads,I think the time to 'lobby' (such a political word don't you think?) was about 40 years ago when the first episodes began to be junked!Nobody bothered to lobby against the junkings then so why should the BBC bother to do anything now,especially when there's nothing but wishful thinking at the end of it?Oh yes,there is a pie in the sky or a hope in hell that we can lobby for!
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Post by Alistair Gordon on Nov 30, 2012 15:17:29 GMT
Have sent email with my suggestion to both the Telegraph and Guardian.Can our Australian and New Zealand readers please do the same for their countries?
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Post by Robin Stephenson on Dec 1, 2012 13:08:14 GMT
I do agree that many members of the general public who aren't Who geeks will have limited knowledge and interest in missing episodes- so any attempt to increase publicity would be a good thing. I am however dubious as to whether offering money would generate anything but more hoaxes.
One possibility which springs to mind is to consider approaching house clearance firms if any trade periodical for such a group does exist. I am a solicitor who does private client work and when somebody dies it is often not unusual for relatives who are also executors to arrange for an elderley persons property to be cleared (unless they are aware of anything of particular value). Sometimes this is of course done by the family but on other occasions by firms of professionals. If it was somehow possible to make them aware that old reels of film can contain assets of considerable value and should be checked before being disposed of, you might get something (not Who but anything) turning up.
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Post by dennywilson on Dec 1, 2012 22:37:15 GMT
Weren't the last 3 finds (Crusades 1/DMP 2.Underwater 3 & Air Lock) all from people who didn't know they were missing episodes?
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Post by John Wall on Dec 1, 2012 23:22:36 GMT
Weren't the last 3 finds (Crusades 1/DMP 2.Underwater 3 & Air Lock) all from people who didn't know they were missing episodes? Yep.
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Post by Simeon Carter on Dec 2, 2012 0:21:50 GMT
Again HOW DO WE LOBBY FOR SUCH A THING? Quite simply, the BBC won't be interested as it wouldn't be seen as worth the cost of producing it. And just to clarify, Ian Levine's offer was made on Blue Peter and it was that any viewer who was actively able to help get a missing episode returned could win themselves a full-sized Dalek. It later became clear that Ian didn't have the money to pay of it himself - rather he was going to call on a few of his fan friends to chip in and front the cost. It was online, after the appeal was made, that Levine modified the offer to give either the Dalek or the £2000 it would cost to build as a reward. Interestingly it was that short feature on Blue Peter and the fact that the Day Of Armageddon DVD (free from The Sun a relative had given me) was episode 2 not 1 that made me aware of missing episodes. I would have been around 9 at the time and only following the series for a year but it stuck in my mind and made me interested in the topic. So, for me at least, it was a very worthwhile appeal.
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Post by Jon Preddle on Dec 2, 2012 0:41:59 GMT
Back in 1992, the Radio Times ran a piece about the recovery and restoration of The Daemons. There wasn't a plea as such, but a mention was made about the general state of missing eps (110 at the time). RT clipping : gallifreybase.com/w/index.php/The_Daemons
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Post by Deleted on Dec 2, 2012 12:40:30 GMT
Weren't the last 3 finds (Crusades 1/DMP 2.Underwater 3 & Air Lock) all from people who didn't know they were missing episodes? Amazing as it may sound to some, there are still many people out there who know nothing of the concept of missing episodes, treasure hunts / MBW initiatives and the like, despite years of regular appeals and publicity. You come into contact with them all the time! So in a sense, that's very good news for potential future finds of any missing material.
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Post by Daniel Hornby on Dec 2, 2012 12:50:52 GMT
Weren't the last 3 finds (Crusades 1/DMP 2.Underwater 3 & Air Lock) all from people who didn't know they were missing episodes? Amazing as it may sound to some, there are still many people out there who know nothing of the concept of missing episodes, treasure hunts / MBW initiatives and the like, despite years of regular appeals and publicity. So in a sense, that's very good news for potential future finds of any missing material. There will be future finds, just not necessarily DW. There are still a lot of people alive who lived in the 1960s as young adults/teenagers etc, so no reason why in the next 50 years or so, there cannot be literally hundreds of finds from the umpteen shows that were junked and wiped. Combined with the digitisation of archives around the world, I'm sure even at least 1 DW episode will be found, if not a whole story somewhere. Our continuation of debate and discussion of these things is the only way to ensure people keep looking. If this and other forums close, then we potentially will lose all chance of retrieving our lost cultural heritage. Everyone should ask their dad, uncle, grandfather if they have old film, to at least eliminate possible leads. Wouldn't it be ironic if for example an older relative of one of the RT had some stashed away somewhere!!!!!!
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Post by John Andersen on Dec 2, 2012 17:11:42 GMT
Weren't the last 3 finds (Crusades 1/DMP 2.Underwater 3 & Air Lock) all from people who didn't know they were missing episodes? Amazing as it may sound to some, there are still many people out there who know nothing of the concept of missing episodes, treasure hunts / MBW initiatives and the like, despite years of regular appeals and publicity. You come into contact with them all the time! So in a sense, that's very good news for potential future finds of any missing material. That is so true. A lot of people all over the world where Doctor Who is currently watched don't know episodes are lost. Quite a few of the film collectors that had missing episodes thought the BBC still had their own copies. I saw a guy at a forum asking why the BBC doesn't release more stories from seasons 4 and 5 on DVD. When he was told that those stories were gone, he was appalled. If there are more people out there that have the only surviving copies of lost episodes, I hope they don't throw them away. It is easy for somebody to believe that an old film has very little value if there are more copies elsewhere.
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Post by steveb on Dec 2, 2012 18:35:36 GMT
Just my opinion:
I think to do this properly requires a professional website and facebook page. As well as english maybe arabic spanish and chinese (maybe I mean cantonese? I'm not an expert) versions. Then make sure that journalists etc link to it whenever they are writing about classic dw, and regulat updates (? PR agency needed?). It doesn't have to cost a fortune but I think you have to be looking at 5-10K at least. I honestly think there's little point doing amateur stuff it needs a professional job or nothing. PS And also maybe, buy some google adwords
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Post by Mark Vanderlinde-Abernathy on Dec 2, 2012 20:11:56 GMT
I'd use Social Media. Maybe create Facebook like buttons and Twitter buttons and etc. all over Brad's site. So someone visiting it could post a somewhat simple but eye-catching facebook comment. That person's friends and relatives would see the post ... maybe share it if asked. Hopefully the "six degrees of seperation" theory works out and some one with a film collection or a Dad with a film collection will see it and put 2 and 2 together ...
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Post by dennywilson on Dec 3, 2012 8:34:42 GMT
Weren't the last 3 finds (Crusades 1/DMP 2.Underwater 3 & Air Lock) all from people who didn't know they were missing episodes? Yep. Which proves the point that the word has to get out about missing episodes.
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Post by simonashby on Dec 3, 2012 12:08:44 GMT
I'm always wary of ideas to make the issue of missing episodes known the to the wider public. Such things almost invariably turn out to be, well, naff!
On that note however - Is this One Show material? Seems like a perfect fit for one of their 5 minute stints. It's relevant, it's watched by many people - and it's free.
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Post by John Wall on Dec 3, 2012 20:40:58 GMT
It's worth a try. However, I think that a certain amount will depend upon the "spin" Auntie is looking to put on the 50th anniversary. The new series is a great success although not all here, including myself, can "engage" with it in the same way as the classic series. Will Auntie be primarily looking to promote the new series or will there be an element of retrospection ?
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