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Post by Paul Watkins on Nov 21, 2012 18:17:18 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2012 20:34:38 GMT
What a surprise. Without going any further or deeper into this to prevent the locking and termination of this thread, I think we can be 99% certain that the forthcoming TOTP Christmas special will be the very last TOTP to be made. Come the new year it will be buried in the archive permanently.
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Post by Rob Moss on Nov 21, 2012 21:22:00 GMT
It'll be a crying shame if this does happen, but given recent events, not entirely unexpected. And as we don't know how this story is going to pan out, you can understand if the Beeb are reluctant to schedule something that they may well have to pull closer to transmission..!
Hopefully in a few years, they might be ready to start them up again...
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Post by Thomas Walsh on Nov 22, 2012 1:13:14 GMT
To be honest I couldn't care anymore about the TOTP repeats. The reason we know the classic clips so well is because the rest of it was utter shite. If you read the above article it's a whole other horror that it could be the end of BBC4 as we know it. That's a far worse loss in my opinion.
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Post by Rob Moss on Nov 22, 2012 7:54:31 GMT
Agree that the loss of BBC Four would be a much harder blow, but it's worth remembering that the budget cuts described in the above article have been on the cards for some time, and are completely unconnected to the current scandal.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2012 8:42:35 GMT
Where Imagination comes up against Non-Imagination, Non-Imagination wins every time. Sad, but true.
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Post by Brian Denton on Nov 22, 2012 18:44:00 GMT
BBC4 is without doubt my favourite tv channel. Its demise would make the project of putting more of the BBC's historical output online even more important. Or has that dream too just faded into the budget black hole?
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Post by Peter Stirling on Nov 23, 2012 8:17:42 GMT
To be honest I couldn't care anymore about the TOTP repeats. The reason we know the classic clips so well is because the rest of it was utter shite. If you read the above article it's a whole other horror that it could be the end of BBC4 as we know it. That's a far worse loss in my opinion. Yes have to agree,have found that period of totps ghastly and tedious in trying to watch a whole show and prefer the TOTPS2 format for it. But BBC4 has so much street cred now I cannot see them closing it altogether
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Post by John Green on Nov 23, 2012 10:32:17 GMT
Unfortunately,I can. If they keep running the channel down-wasn't their budget for original drama removed recently?-so viewing figures will decline...
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2012 12:58:11 GMT
This BBC News report yesterday doesn't bode at all well for the future of TOTP on BBC4... www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-20441994"Savile scandal Controller Klein also revealed that the BBC could drop its archive repeats of Top Of The Pops in the wake of the Jimmy Savile scandal. The programmes have been screened since early last year but editions have had to be examined closely since revelations of Savile's abuse, with some shows dropped. Klein said he had not yet come to a decision about whether to continue the programmes next year. "At the moment we haven't actually scheduled 1978. We've only done it the last two years so if we didn't do it again it wouldn't be the end of the world, and audience figures have declined." Those last few words "audience figures have declined" is the death sentence. That was the very same excuse the BBC used to axe TOTP back in 2006. It would be even worse if BBC4 is nuked since for me, it's the ONLY decent channel there is nowadays and I wouldn't be at all surprised if the plug gets pulled on it. I just hope they don't use TOTP as an excuse for doing so.
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Post by Liam Joseph on Nov 23, 2012 14:19:24 GMT
Well at least he didn't mention TOTP2 being axed, and from the Beeb's point of view they can excise anything Savile-related in a clips show more easily than with with the full episode format.
I agree about how awful the loss of BBC4 would be, their music docs in particular have been excellent.
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Post by garyhaggarty on Nov 23, 2012 15:20:13 GMT
Please submit your comments / complaints where Paul Watkins suggested as soon as possible. There are many people annoyed by this that have aired their concerns on Twitter. The last two months have been horrendous & the BBC (via a dead DJ) have been bullied by a tabloid financed ITV. You have to question their motives & objective when they seem relatively apathetic towards current issues of child abuse elsewhere in the UK. As for TOTP on BBC4 it's pretty inappropriate (Thomas Walsh & Peter Stirling) to be so snobbish about the varied indiscriminate playlist - this was it's beauty. In the 60s the old resented & discriminated against the young because of the abolition of National Service. In the 70s the charts were becoming ever more eclectic because of the varied age groups buying records in vast quantities by the end of the decade. But when you try to manufacture a rebellion & isolate anyone over 30 by targeting the young, it all falls apart & you're left with what we have today - is this what you want? That said, I shall be voicing my support for the broadcasting of TOTP 1978 as I wouldn't like to see BBC4 brought to an end with back-to-back editions of the 'lavishingly produced' Only Connect.
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Post by John Wall on Nov 23, 2012 17:49:17 GMT
Would, for example, the JS estate get paid if editions of TOTP featuring him were shown ?
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Post by Chris Barratt on Nov 23, 2012 18:42:01 GMT
The agenda against the TOTP repeats is incredible considering the popularity & ease of which these shows are re-broadcast - the "declining viewing figures" excuse is only relevant if other shows on the same channel at around the same time are producing much bigger audiences. It's almost as if bricks are being hurled for the sake of it by people who are hiding behind veils of intellectual dishonesty & snobbery - it should stand that all of the shows, even the ones hosted by Jimmy Savile, would be worthy of broadcast in 'a' slot - be it at 2 in the morning if necessary. I fail to grasp why, for instance, the channel has to repeat almost every show in the same night. It is a retrograde move to cancel any repeats of shows the BBC have already made under the pretext of "saving money", when they should be showing more of their rich archive not less.
That BBC4 MAY be under threat with cuts is another issue entirely - something we should all campaign against in a similar way to how 6music was 'saved' - a BBC without the 'niche' digital stations (both radio & TV) is a BBC that will only ever be marginally better than their corrupt commercial competition. I can't see how not showing TOTP 1978 *and beyond* will do any damage, and I'm not aware we are expecting to choose between the two?
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Post by John Green on Nov 23, 2012 19:18:44 GMT
As a point of debate,how about the question of the limited shelf-life of archive TV? I think it was Chris Perry who mentioned this a few months ago. Obviously,it'd be cheapest for the BBC to close down BBC4 and every other channel,but seriously,how long will it be before niche material is streamed? We barely get any b&w movies or old telly on terrestial channels as it is.People are wondering on another thread how many of the remaining 300+ Z-Cars will ever get a DVD release. In theory,if BBC4 were a normal pay-per-view channel,broadcasting the material would be one way for the BBC to generate an income...or have they just been indulging us with TOTPs (finally) because they don't need to be chasing a financial return?
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