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Post by Richard Molesworth on Feb 24, 2012 15:56:47 GMT
I've known Toby since 1982, but haven't seen him for a couple of years.
The story's bullshit.
Regards,
Richard
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Post by Anthony Clark on Feb 24, 2012 19:52:14 GMT
Toby… I worked with him many years ago at Imagineering. Lived in Birmingham as I recall. He had episodes but nothing missing – that story’s total rubbish.
Actually, I’ve just remembered – I have a couple of photos of him that I took while we were helping assemble some Cybermen for Silver Nemesis. That was a very enjoyable day.
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Post by nicholas young on Feb 24, 2012 20:15:15 GMT
I've known Toby since 1982, but haven't seen him for a couple of years. The story's bullshit. Regards, Richard Well that's the end of this thread.Next? ;D |
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Post by Anthony Clark on Feb 24, 2012 20:30:46 GMT
I've known Toby since 1982, but haven't seen him for a couple of years. The story's bullshit. Regards, Richard Well that's the end of this thread.Next? ;D He had a friend called Gary... He might have had missing episodes  PS: It was Toby's father who recorded Ice Warriors off air - all six episodes - using a dental school's reel-to-reel video recorder. |
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Post by Tim Burrows on Feb 24, 2012 20:41:21 GMT
In Bolton, Lancs where I grew up, there was a flea market called 'Bygone Days' which the folks would take me to of a weekend because of a Dr Who dealer there. This was about 1990. Standard stuff for sale, old DWM's and hundreds of Target books. After a few visits, after I became a familiar face, this guy stated, and I'll never forget it, "I can get you any Dr Who episode for £20 on VHS." "What about the missing ones?" "Oh yes, those too" he said with a nod and a wink, and he produced the complete list from his pocket. They were all there.
I took this to be complete bs, and forgot about it, but it has never totally left me. In retrospect, I was either going to get conned or get reconstructions...
My point being, this Toby Chamberlain might well have had VHS tapes of reconstructed missing stories labelled up on his shelves?
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Post by Jaspal Cheema on Feb 24, 2012 21:21:07 GMT
I don't want to destroy your hopes but it sounds like they may have been early recons.Loose Cannon always wanted you to send pre-labelled videotapes for the story that you wanted to see re-constructed.It's possible this Chamberlain memory was how the idea evolved?The Cura telesnaps have been around since the 80s,as have privately owned audio soundtracks.....so the idea of marrying the two up onto video is a logical step.Hence a library of all the missing episodes!
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Post by Charles Daniels on Feb 24, 2012 22:53:44 GMT
In Bolton, Lancs where I grew up, there was a flea market called 'Bygone Days' which the folks would take me to of a weekend because of a Dr Who dealer there. This was about 1990. Standard stuff for sale, old DWM's and hundreds of Target books. After a few visits, after I became a familiar face, this guy stated, and I'll never forget it, "I can get you any Dr Who episode for £20 on VHS." "What about the missing ones?" "Oh yes, those too" he said with a nod and a wink, and he produced the complete list from his pocket. They were all there. I took this to be complete bs, and forgot about it, but it has never totally left me. In retrospect, I was either going to get conned or get reconstructions... Something a lot like this happened to me once, only a lot more blatantly con artist. This dealer at a science fiction convention in California and I got talking about Dr Who. He told me he could sell me The Highlanders, all four episodes, for $400. I told him that I'd be willing to go to the cash machine and hand over $400 if he'd let me watch the first five minutes of episode 1 first. He had a vcr and telly and was showing the Star Wars Christmas Special on it. So it would have been the easiest thing in the world for him to eject the tape and play it. If he had it. He told me that he "couldn't possibly give away seeing it for free". I told him I'd pull the $400 out of the cash machine, and show it to him, and would hand it over if he showed me the first 2 minutes of episode 1. Again, no dice. So yeah, he was trying to charge people $400 for a recon, or a blank tape, or god knows what. |
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Post by John Andersen on Feb 25, 2012 0:05:39 GMT
Something a lot like this happened to me once, only a lot more blatantly con artist. This dealer at a science fiction convention in California and I got talking about Dr Who. He told me he could sell me The Highlanders, all four episodes, for $400. I told him that I'd be willing to go to the cash machine and hand over $400 if he'd let me watch the first five minutes of episode 1 first. He had a vcr and telly and was showing the Star Wars Christmas Special on it. So it would have been the easiest thing in the world for him to eject the tape and play it. If he had it. He told me that he "couldn't possibly give away seeing it for free". I told him I'd pull the $400 out of the cash machine, and show it to him, and would hand it over if he showed me the first 2 minutes of episode 1. Again, no dice. So yeah, he was trying to charge people $400 for a recon, or a blank tape, or god knows what. That was not a dealer you encountered. Some dealers have a sense of honor. That was a thief. |
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Post by George D on Feb 25, 2012 0:38:31 GMT
What the guy could have is a collection of recons on vhs which is more plausable. A newbie collector would be excited about that.
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Post by Richard Molesworth on Feb 25, 2012 1:39:21 GMT
Well that's the end of this thread.Next? ;D He had a friend called Gary... He might have had missing episodes PS: It was Toby's father who recorded Ice Warriors off air - all six episodes - using a dental school's reel-to-reel video recorder. Toby was good friends with Gary O'Hare. Niether of them had any missing episodes in a visual format. What they did have was a complete (or at least as complete as you could get in 1982, coz there were about half a dozen episodes that just weren't in circulation then) set of missing episode audios. I remember the first time I visited Gary's house in 1983. I had been audio taping since about 1981, and had about a dozen stories on audio. He had a whole wall of audio cassettes, with each story's title letraseted on the cassette case. And *every* story had a case. 'Would you like copies of any?' he asked at one point. So I went for 'Tenth Planet', 'Moonbase', 'Tomb' and 'Invasion'. Only 'Moonbase' was actually what I would call 'listenable to', so about 3 or 4 generations down. The rest were mainly mostly muffled static. But all still pricesless in the early 80's. And, yes, Toby's father was the first person ever to wipe a copy of 'The Ice Warriors' (the BBC were a close second). Regards, Richard |
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Post by Richard Molesworth on Feb 25, 2012 1:41:36 GMT
What the guy could have is a collection of recons on vhs which is more plausable. A newbie collector would be excited about that. There were no recons in 1982. The telesnaps weren't discovered for another 10 years. Regards, Richard |
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Post by Charles Daniels on Feb 25, 2012 7:57:04 GMT
What the guy could have is a collection of recons on vhs which is more plausable. A newbie collector would be excited about that. There were no recons in 1982. The telesnaps weren't discovered for another 10 years. Regards, Richard I'm sure there was a "recon" of a sort, without using telesnaps, made in the 1980s of Tenth Planet part 4. |
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Post by George D on Feb 25, 2012 14:08:08 GMT
Also we know that since this rumor has misinformaton so we really cant assume anything to be correct. For example the year could have been incorrect also. If it was the 1980s seeing video of the the remaining episodes and audios of the missing episodes would impress almost anyone. Assuming the source is remembering honestly, he probably saw a macra terror recon at a later date or perhaps a different episode that wasnt circulated but existing. Provided he didnt have a very exciting dream one night |
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Post by John F Brayshaw on Feb 25, 2012 16:46:42 GMT
If it sounds too good to be true then it is. Chances of all the missing eps being in one place are almost nil.
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Post by Rob Moss on Feb 25, 2012 16:53:22 GMT
If it sounds too good to be true then it is. Chances of all the missing eps being in one place are almost nil. Let's be realistic, the chances of all the missing eps being anywhere at all are almost nil. |
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